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Online John Corbett

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #406 on: August 07, 2026, 10:49:18 PM »
JBC said he turned to look at JFK.  He doesn’t even try to look at JFK before z230.  So your conclusion that this turn occurred before z230 is not based on evidence.\

What do you know about making conclusions. I've never seen you make on that made sense.
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Rosemary turns back at z202-206.  That suggests the first shot just before then, just as her sister, father, Croft and Betzner, the 25 witnesses who reported seeing JFK react to the first shot said.  That’s the evidence that the correct interpretation of the zfilm should fit.

It only suggests that to people who are bad at figuring. That was about 3 seconds after the first shot was fired. She reacted about the same time JBC did at Z164 when she began shortening her strides in order to come to a stop.

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #407 on: August 07, 2026, 11:03:39 PM »
JBC told us why he turned his head. I stated Rosemury Willis turned back to the TSBD because we see her do that and years later said she saw pigeons fly off the roof. It is a logical inference that the reason she turned back to the TSBD is because that's where the sound seemed to come from.

If Rosemary Willis saw pigeons fly off the roof, it must have been at Z-141, about a second after Oswald's first, missing everything, shot at "Z-124." That's when she, quickly looking away from the limo, turned her head to her right and started looking in the direction of the TSBD.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z141.jpg

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #408 on: Yesterday at 12:50:39 AM »
What do you know about making conclusions. I've never seen you make on that made sense.
How about: since 25 witnesses said that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot and zero witnesses said he kept smiling and waving after the first shot, and since the zfilm, the shot pattern evidence, and the evidence as to JFK’s location at the time of the first shot, are all consistent with JFK being hit by the first shot, then the first shot must not have missed.

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It only suggests that to people who are bad at figuring. That was about 3 seconds after the first shot was fired. She reacted about the same time JBC did at Z164 when she began shortening her strides in order to come to a stop.
But she did not slow down until z188. From z142 to z166 she takes 4 full strides (from left foot planted right stride, left stride, right stride, and left stride with left foot planted at z166).  That is 6 frames per stride. From z166 to z180 she takes two more strides (7 frames per stride). From z180 to z188 another stride. From z188 to z199 one more stride before stopping at z199. Not much if any attempt to stop until after z188.


She did not say she slowed her running when she heard the first shot. She said she stopped-at least that is what Pozner said based on a June 3, 1979 article in the Dallas Times Herald (Case Closed, ch14, fn 18). 

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #409 on: Yesterday at 11:59:53 PM »
If Rosemary Willis saw pigeons fly off the roof, it must have been at Z-141, about a second after Oswald's first, missing everything, shot at "Z-124." That's when she, quickly looking away from the limo, turned her head to her right and started looking in the direction of the TSBD.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z141.jpg

Do you really think that one fuzzy frame established that Willis heard gunshot at that point in time and that is when she saw the pigeons? Thet's a real stretch.

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #410 on: Today at 12:03:57 AM »
How about: since 25 witnesses said that JFK reacted visibly to the first shot and zero witnesses said he kept smiling and waving after the first shot, and since the zfilm, the shot pattern evidence, and the evidence as to JFK’s location at the time of the first shot, are all consistent with JFK being hit by the first shot, then the first shot must not have missed.
But she did not slow down until z188. From z142 to z166 she takes 4 full strides (from left foot planted right stride, left stride, right stride, and left stride with left foot planted at z166).  That is 6 frames per stride. From z166 to z180 she takes two more strides (7 frames per stride). From z180 to z188 another stride. From z188 to z199 one more stride before stopping at z199. Not much if any attempt to stop until after z188.

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She did not say she slowed her running when she heard the first shot. She said she stopped-at least that is what Pozner said based on a June 3, 1979 article in the Dallas Times Herald (Case Closed, ch14, fn 18).

She didn't need to tell us that. We can see her do that.

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #411 on: Today at 12:35:42 AM »
Do you really think that one fuzzy frame established that Willis heard gunshot at that point in time and that is when she saw the pigeons? That's a real stretch.

Who said one frame?

It takes at least two frames to notice a difference.

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Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Reply #412 on: Today at 02:37:22 AM »
Who said one frame?

It takes at least two frames to notice a difference.

You only cited that one frame.

I've watched the Zfilm countless times. I've seen nothing immediately after Zapruder resumed filming that leads me to believe anyone was reacting to a shot fired before Z133. I see movement but none that would make me say a person is reacting to a gunshot. It's in the eye of the beholder.