What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

[Charles Collins]

   Take a look at a good copy of the Towner Film. When the JFK Limo turns onto Elm St and clears the traffic signal pole, you can easily see the Hat of Fedora Man. If you drew a straight line between Towner and the traffic signal pole, that line would pierce through Fedora Man. Fedora Man is close enough to touch that traffic signal pole. I've tried to be nice about this, but that Lego Man visual aid is pure crapola.

The reason fedora man may be lined up with the traffic signal post in Tina Towner’s film is due to the difference in the two lines of sight in Weigman’s film frame versus Tina Towner’s line of sight. From Weigman’s line of sight there appears to be about 21-25/32” distance between fedora man and the traffic signal post. However there is roughly about 12-feet of depth-distance between fedora man and the post when viewing from a line of sight that shows the width of the island (see below image).





James Hackerott and I have worked together several times before on various exercises. His 3D model has always proven to be highly accurate. We have to improvise on the characters and various objects we place in the models. That’s why they sometimes look a little different than reality. But they serve the purpose and that’s what is important.

[Royell Storing]

The reason fedora man may be lined up with the traffic signal post in Tina Towner’s film is due to the difference in the two lines of sight in Weigman’s film frame versus Tina Towner’s line of sight. From Weigman’s line of sight there appears to be about 21-25/32” distance between fedora man and the traffic signal post. However there is roughly about 12-feet of depth-distance between fedora man and the post when viewing from a line of sight that shows the width of the island (see below image).





James Hackerott and I have worked together several times before on various exercises. His 3D model has always proven to be highly accurate. We have to improvise on the characters and various objects we place in the models. That’s why they sometimes look a little different than reality. But they serve the purpose and that’s what is important.

  With respect to the Hackrotte "visual aids", they were wrong on: (1) Lego Fedora Man, (2) Lego shadows on the Island, (3) Huge Gates "shadows" revealing them to be open when Euins went by them on the Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. That is not a good track record. Like I said, "your call".
  You need to be specific. When you say "post", I do not know which specific "post" you are referencing.
  If you don't want to find a good copy of the Towner Film and check out the position of Fedora Man, that's another "your call". Failure to carefully examine that which is in plain sight is exactly why this case remains unsolved after 62+ years.   
   

[Tom Graves]

There is no "abandoned getaway car" in the Wiegman film. The "getaway" car had not arrived when Wiegman filmed the Island.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Yes, there is.

In the pertinent Wiegman frames, part (James Hackerott says it's a middle part) of your "Abandoned Getaway Car" is visually merged with a light-colored car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension.

Now that's been established, we're trying to figure out exactly which of the light-colored cars parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in various photographs and films -- taken before, during, and after the shooting -- is the one in Wiegman that's merging with your light-colored 1958 Pontiac Bonneville parked next to the "Island."

When I say "visually merging" with your "Getaway Car" I mean perhaps just the rear part (or, more likely and as James Hackerott prefers -- a farther forward part) of said 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" is overlapping the light-colored car in the background. Whether we're seeing the rear part or the middle part of your "Getaway Car," what really "seals the deal" that it really IS your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car is the distinctive 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "jet exhaust" design on its side, plus the fact that its passenger's-side rear tire and its passenger's-side front tire and [fill in the blank] are also visible in certain Wiegman frames.

Perhaps the light-colored car that your "Getaway Car" is visually overlapping in Wiegman is one of those two light-colored cars that were still parked next to the TSBD and behind Inspector Sawyer's car when Amos Euins was put in it a few minutes after the assassination in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto a few months ago!

Warning: One of those two light-colored cars behind Inspector Sawyers' car is barely visible in said documentary.

--  Tom

[Royell Storing]

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Yes, there is.

In the pertinent Wiegman frames, the rear part (James Hackerott says it's a farther-forward part) of your "Abandoned Getaway Car" is visually merged with a light-colored car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension.

Now that's been established, we're trying to figure out exactly which of the light-colored cars parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in various photographs and films -- taken before, during, and after the shooting -- is the one in Wiegman that's merging with your light-colored 1958 Pontiac Bonneville parked next to the "Island" and with perhaps just the rear part (or, as James Hackerott prefers -- a farther forward part) of said Pontiac visible to the immediate left of "Fedora Man's" bare forearm / wrist, and perhaps its passenger's-side rear tire and passenger's-side front tire and [fill in the blank] also visible in said frames.

Perhaps it's one of those two light-colored cars parked next to the TSBD and behind Inspector Sawyer's car (one of which is barely visible) in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto a few months ago!

--  Tom

   Graves, you're embarrassing yourself again. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35. You guys have absolutely no idea what car was parked where on the TSBD side of Elm St. This is exactly why the Lego stuff is pure  There's no 17.5 FEET LONG car parked alongside the Island on the Wiegman Film. Believe what you see.

[Tom Graves]

Graves, you're embarrassing yourself again. Inspector Sawyer arrived at the TSBD at 12:35.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Did you or did you not "turn me onto" a National Geographic documentary which shows the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville at issue still parked next to the "Island" [fill in the blank] minutes / hours after the assassination?

In that footage, do we or do we not see Inspector Sawyer's car parked closest to the camera next to the TSBD?

If that's not Inspector Sawyer's car, all I can say is BFD.

Pardon my German.

Whether or not Amos Euins was inside that car at that time and whether or not it was Inspector Sawyers' car is immaterial to what we're debating.

The important thing is that two light-colored cars can be seen parked next to the TSBD behind "Inspector Sawyer's car," and one or the other of them could very well have been the light-colored car that your 1959 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car visually merged with in Wiegman.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Did you or did you not "turn me onto" a National Geographic documentary which shows the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville at issue still parked next to the "Island" [fill in the blank] minutes / hours after the assassination?

In that footage, do we or do we not see Inspector Sawyer's car parked closest to the camera next to the TSBD?

If that's not Inspector Sawyer's car, all I can say is BFD.

Pardon my German.

Whether or not Amos Euins was inside that car at that time and whether or not it was Inspector Sawyers' car is immaterial to what we're debating.

The important thing is that two light-colored cars can be seen parked next to the TSBD behind "Inspector Sawyer's car," and one or the other of them could very well have been the light-colored car that your 1959 Pontiac Bonneville Getaway Car visually merged with in Wiegman.

-- Tom

   All that matters is the Wiegman Film. The "getaway" car was Not there when Wiegman filmed the Island. As I have told you many, many, times. Your JFK Assassination foundation is weak. Try to remember, THE WIEGMAN FILM.

[Tom Graves]

All that matters is the Wiegman Film. The "getaway" car was Not there when Wiegman filmed the Island. As I have told you many, many, times. Your JFK Assassination foundation is weak. Try to remember, THE WIEGMAN FILM.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Can the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" be seen parked next to the "Island" at the 8:56 mark in the National Geographic documentary you turned me onto?

Yes, or no?

Regardless, in the frames around that 8:56 mark, can you see the two light-colored cars that are parked next to the TSBD and behind (i.e., in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot) the car I've been calling "Inspector Sawyers' Car"?

Yes, or no?

-- Tom