What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

[Tom Graves]

I think that the area of the two white-hat officers [with their backs to the camera on the right side of the photo] is reasonably close [to where Wiegman was when he captured "Fedora Man" and Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" / light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension combo].

If Barber's photographer was standing significantly to the right of where Wiegman was positioned, and if neither the "Abandoned Getaway Car" nor the light-colored car on the other side of the street were moved between 12:30 and [whenever the photo was taken], the light-colored car on the other side of the street is probably the same one that visually merges so well with the rear part of the "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Wiegman as to lead some researchers to believe it's just one car they're seeing.

[Charles Collins]

   As you can see in the Wiegman still frame above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.

Judging by the image in which James overlaid his 3D model image with the Weigman image, fedora man does appear to be about 6” further east than he is in James’ model. That’s not enough difference to matter very much. Also, the line of sight I used for my roughly about approximate measurement is based upon the western edge of the opening for the large gates. That edge lines up with roughly about the approximate center of the gap between fedora man and purse lady. That gap is what you referenced when you claimed we are looking at the surface of the Elm Street Extension. However, again, there is roughly about approximately 24-feet of the surface of the island visible before the curb to Elm Street Extension, then beyond that curb is where the Elm Street Extension surface begins.

[Charles Collins]

If Barber's photographer was standing significantly to the right of where Wiegman was positioned, and if neither the "Abandoned Getaway Car" nor the light-colored car on the other side of the street were moved between 12:30 and [whenever the photo was taken], the light-colored car on the other side of the street is probably the same one that visually merges so well with the rear part of the "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Wiegman as to lead some researchers to believe it's just one car they're seeing.

The un-cropped image Steve Barber posted shows (from that angle) that vehicle to be essentially under the sixth set of windows from the southeast corner of the TSBD. The Weigman film frame shows another vehicle that appears to be essentially inline (from Weigman’s angle) with the western edge of the opening for the large gates. Here’s a rough sketch showing the two lines of sights and the respective locations of the two vehicles. The black dashed line and black crosshatched rectangle represent the line of sight and vehicle of the image Steve Barber posted. The blue dashed line and blue crosshatched rectangle represent Weigman’s line of sight and that vehicle.

[Royell Storing]

Judging by the image in which James overlaid his 3D model image with the Weigman image, fedora man does appear to be about 6” further east than he is in James’ model. That’s not enough difference to matter very much. Also, the line of sight I used for my roughly about approximate measurement is based upon the western edge of the opening for the large gates. That edge lines up with roughly about the approximate center of the gap between fedora man and purse lady. That gap is what you referenced when you claimed we are looking at the surface of the Elm Street Extension. However, again, there is roughly about approximately 24-feet of the surface of the island visible before the curb to Elm Street Extension, then beyond that curb is where the Elm Street Extension surface begins.

   Take a look at a good copy of the Towner Film. When the JFK Limo turns onto Elm St and clears the traffic signal pole, you can easily see the Hat of Fedora Man. If you drew a straight line between Towner and the traffic signal pole, that line would pierce through Fedora Man. Fedora Man is close enough to touch that traffic signal pole. I've tried to be nice about this, but that Lego Man visual aid is pure crapola.

[Tom Graves]

The un-cropped image Steve Barber posted shows (from that angle) that vehicle to be essentially under the sixth set of windows from the southeast corner of the TSBD. The Weigman film frame shows another vehicle that appears to be essentially inline (from Weigman’s angle) with the western edge of the opening for the large gates. Here’s a rough sketch showing the two lines of sights and the respective locations of the two vehicles. The black dashed line and black crosshatched rectangle represent the line of sight and vehicle of the image Steve Barber posted. The blue dashed line and blue crosshatched rectangle represent Weigman’s line of sight and that vehicle.

I guess you're saying that the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Barber's photo is not the same light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that has visually merged with the rear part of Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film.

Question: Can the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that "merges" with Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film be seen in any other photo or film that was shot (pardon the pun) that day?

[Royell Storing]

I guess you're saying that the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Barber's photo is not the same light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that has visually merged with the rear part of Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film.

Question: Can the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that "merges" with Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film be seen in any other photo or film that was shot (pardon the pun) that day?

   There is NO "abandoned getaway car" in the Wiegman Film. The "getaway" car has Not arrived when Wiegman filmed the Island.

[Charles Collins]

I guess you're saying that the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Barber's photo is not the same light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that has visually merged with the rear part of Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film.

Question: Can the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that "merges" with Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film be seen in any other photo or film that was shot (pardon the pun) that day?

I guess you're saying that the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Barber's photo is not the same light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that has visually merged with the rear part of Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film.

Correct it appears to me that the car in Weigman’s film is parked right behind the car in the photo Steve Barber posted.


Question: Can the light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension that "merges" with Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" in the Wiegman film be seen in any other photo or film that was shot (pardon the pun) that day?

I am not sure. But will keep this question in mind and let you know if I find it.