What do we see to the left of "Fedora Man on the Island" in the Wiegman clip?

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Online Royell Storing

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There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between fedora man and purse woman. There is roughly about 24-feet of island surface visible between the island’s Elm Street curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb on Weigman’s line of sight that runs between fedora man and purse lady.”
The line of sight is at such an angle that I will show a rough idea in the following images.

The image below shows the line of sight with fedora man inline with the gated opening behind him. The black arrows are meant to show the space between the island’s Elm Street Curb and the island’s Elm Street Extension curb at this line of sight.





The images below are from the Roberdeau map. The first one shows the (red) line of sight with (red) cross hatches indicating the two curbs referenced above. The (black arrows) distance between the two curbs is roughly 24-feet at this specific line of sight.





The image below is the scale of the map that I used to approximate the distance.



   As long as you continue to rely on that Lego Man visual aid, you will continue to be lost. That thing is a joke/wrong.  For starters, Fedora Man is standing much closer to the Traffic Signal Pole.           

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      39:58 - 40:05    Gives a very good overhead view of that corner. Fedora Man was standing very close to where you see that man standing near the corner.

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Frankly, I got in an hurry adding the sketched yellow line to James Hackerott’s image and inadvertently shortchanged the eastern most part of the “hook” of the island by 2 or 3 feet. It actually extends a little further east than my sketch shows which was already described as “rough outline”. Here’s the shortchanged sketch again and two images from Wiegman’s film one with and one without the added yellow outline.












As we can see in the above two Weigman film images, the actual easternmost point of the island “hook” lines up with the second brick column east of the gated opening. I was not far enough east with my initial rough sketch.

   As you can see in the Wiegman still frame above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.
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Online Tom Graves

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As you can see in the Wiegman still frame, above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.

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I think that the area of the two white-hat officers [with their backs to the camera on the right side of the photo] is reasonably close [to where Wiegman was when he captured "Fedora Man" and Storing's "Abandoned Getaway Car" / light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension combo].

If Barber's photographer was standing significantly to the right of where Wiegman was positioned, and if neither the "Abandoned Getaway Car" nor the light-colored car on the other side of the street were moved between 12:30 and [whenever the photo was taken], the light-colored car on the other side of the street is probably the same one that visually merges so well with the rear part of the "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Wiegman as to lead some researchers to believe it's just one car they're seeing.
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Online Charles Collins

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   As you can see in the Wiegman still frame above, Fedora Man is standing very close to the Traffic Signal Pole. That Lego Man position is Wrong, and therefore so is the measured footage behind him.



Judging by the image in which James overlaid his 3D model image with the Weigman image, fedora man does appear to be about 6” further east than he is in James’ model. That’s not enough difference to matter very much. Also, the line of sight I used for my roughly about approximate measurement is based upon the western edge of the opening for the large gates. That edge lines up with roughly about the approximate center of the gap between fedora man and purse lady. That gap is what you referenced when you claimed we are looking at the surface of the Elm Street Extension. However, again, there is roughly about approximately 24-feet of the surface of the island visible before the curb to Elm Street Extension, then beyond that curb is where the Elm Street Extension surface begins.




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