Nothing seems to have changed

[Royell Storing]

The car appears to be still parked there when the 3 tramp photos were taken. Odd behaviour if indeed someone was driving through the car park at the time of the assassination and then parked the car in front of the tsbd and just left it there.

I don't think a driver is visible in the car when Baker is seen running. I'm not saying a driver is not there, just that a driver is not visible.

    I want to nail down that this car is parked behind, (to the (L)), of both of those poles. The parked position of that car is critical. When Wiegman filmed that portion of the Island, if the car was already parked alongside the Island, Wiegman would have filmed/captured that 17+ Feet Long car. That is a very long car.
   With respect to the driver possibly being "in the car" when Officer Baker ran past the car, remember what the Couch Film shows us. The Couch Film shows 2 figures standing directly alongside this car BEFORE Officer Baker runs past the car. When focusing on these 2 figures, the Couch Film is the best film to use.

[Royell Storing]

The car appears to be still parked there when the 3 tramp photos were taken. Odd behaviour if indeed someone was driving through the car park at the time of the assassination and then parked the car in front of the tsbd and just left it there.

I don't think a driver is visible in the car when Baker is seen running. I'm not saying a driver is not there, just that a driver is not visible.

    The car is still there when the 3 Tramps were marched through Dealey Plaza. The timestamp for those 3 Tramp images is roughly 2+ hrs after the kill shot. The car is also still there when Dealey Plaza was shut down for CSI purposes. That car sat there for 3+ Hrs. To help with the time stamping of this car, Inspector Sawyer's car was parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. His parked car stretched across a portion of the steps leading up to the TSBD front door. Sawyer's car is Not directly across from the car we are discussing, but somewhat close to that. Sawyer gave WC Testimony that he was there at the TSBD until 4 PM that day. 

[Charles Collins]

   There's a good picture of the car at the end of the Hughes Film. This Hughes film snippet showing the car is included in, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" presentation. That presentation is on YOU TUBE. At the 5:52 mark, you can see the car is parked to the (L) of the pole. The rectangular signage attached to this same pole is the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" sign. You can clearly read this Sign on the actual DVD. In conjunction with our seeing the car and the signal light pole on the (L) of Officer Baker as he runs across the Island on the Couch and Darnell films, the position of this car is not in question. It is clearly on the (L) of both the Traffic Signal Pole and the Street Light Pole. The Street Light Pole has the, "NO PARKING...." sign on it. The Traffic Signal Pole has a home plate shaped sign attached to it. The bottom of this sign comes to a point. The car is on the (L) of both of these poles.

Here’s a photo of the tramps taken from a position near the corner of Houston and Elm:



I have outlined both poles with yellow lines. The car is clearly visible with both poles dissecting the windshield. The steering wheel can be seen between the poles. From this angle the car doesn’t appear to be to the left of either one of the poles. The angle of the line of sight makes this difference. Wiegman had a somewhat similar angle as this photo. That’s why the car appears to dissected by the poles in the Wiegman film.

[Tom Graves]

Sawyer's car is not directly across from the car we are discussing, but somewhat close to that.

Awkward sentence.

Why not just write, "Sawyer's car was almost directly across Elm Street Extension from the car we're discussing"?

[Royell Storing]

Here’s a photo of the tramps taken from a position near the corner of Houston and Elm:



I have outlined both poles with yellow lines. The car is clearly visible with both poles dissecting the windshield. The steering wheel can be seen between the poles. From this angle the car doesn’t appear to be to the left of either one of the poles. The angle of the line of sight makes this difference. Wiegman had a somewhat similar angle as this photo. That’s why the car appears to dissected by the poles in the Wiegman film.

    Thanks for posting the above photo. What you are referencing is on the OTHER SIDE of the Elm St Extension. The whitish car that we can easily see is THE CAR we are discussing. We can see almost the entire front passenger side window of this car. This leaves the hood and front bumper of this car out of the pic. Attaching the hood and front bumper to what we do see, would place this entire car just to the (L) of the (Yellow) pole closest to the car. That (Yellow) Pole is the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING........" sign attached to it. The whitish car is parked exactly where I have been saying it was parked. To the (L) of both: (1) the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING....." sign attached to it, and (2) the Traffic Signal Pole with the pointed sign attached to it. Again, that whitish car on the pic you posted is to the (L) of both poles.
 
                            I have come across a very good elevated view of the Island showing the location of both poles.

             Go to YOU TUBE and search -  "Four Days in November" (1964) - David L. Wolper JFK Assassination Documentary.   by - LionHeart Filmworks
 
                          39:58 - 40:05  Gives an extremely good elevated view of the Island and the position of the 2 poles.

[Gerry Down]

    Thanks for posting the above photo. What you are referencing is on the OTHER SIDE of the Elm St Extension. The whitish car that we can easily see is THE CAR we are discussing. We can see almost the entire front passenger side window of this car. This leaves the hood and front bumper of this car out of the pic. Attaching the hood and front bumper to what we do see, would place this entire car just to the (L) of the (Yellow) pole closest to the car. That (Yellow) Pole is the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING........" sign attached to it. The whitish car is parked exactly where I have been saying it was parked. To the (L) of both: (1) the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING....." sign attached to it, and (2) the Traffic Signal Pole with the pointed sign attached to it. Again, that whitish car on the pic you posted is to the (L) of both poles.
 
                            I have come across a very good elevated view of the Island showing the location of both poles.

             Go to YOU TUBE and search -  "Four Days in November" (1964) - David L. Wolper JFK Assassination Documentary.   by - LionHeart Filmworks
 
                          39:58 - 40:05  Gives an extremely good elevated view of the Island and the position of the 2 poles.

It looks to me like you are describing a completely different car here. The car we've been talking about is parked tight to the island. In the picture Charles Collins last posted, we can only see the rear passenger quarter panel and the front windscreen. You seem to be now talking about a car parked behind this car, a car almost looking like it was parked in the street itself of the Elm street extension.

[Royell Storing]

It looks to me like you are describing a completely different car here. The car we've been talking about is parked tight to the island. In the picture Charles Collins last posted, we can only see the rear passenger quarter panel and the front windscreen. You seem to be now talking about a car parked behind this car, a car almost looking like it was parked in the street itself of the Elm street extension.

   That lightly colored car IS parked tight to the island. The Elm St Extension is only 2 lanes wide. In the photo that Charles posted, I can see the (R) side of this lightly colored car up to/including the (R) front passenger window. This is the same car we see on the tail end of the Hughes film. The Hughes film shows the car parked to the (L) of the "NO PARKING" sign. That sign is attached to the Street Light Pole. It is also the same car we see on YOU TUBE  - "Manhunt: The Search for JFK's Killer (Full Episode) | JFK: One Day In America"  by - National Geographic. At the 8:56 point, we see this same light colored car parked/hugging the Island side of the Elm St Extension. This very same car is on numerous Films and Photos taken that day. Whether it is Roughly 20 seconds after the kill shot, or 3+ hours after the kill shot, this car is sitting in the exact same spot. (L) of the 2 poles.