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The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Tommy Shanks on January 28, 2026, 04:13:03 PM ---Excellent work, Fred. Not sure why Gerry is suddenly clinging to Orest Pena's tall tales.
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How do you know they're tall tales?
I don't see anything tall about these tales. Pena is just saying he saw two people coming in to a bar together. Seems kinda mundane to me.
Tommy Shanks:
They're tall tales because they're not supported by any other evidence, as Fred points out in his own blog posting.
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Gerry Down on January 28, 2026, 06:18:35 PM ---How do you know they're tall tales?
I don't see anything tall about these tales. Pena is just saying he saw two people coming in to a bar together. Seems kinda mundane to me.
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You are conveniently ignoring that he also said he was an FBI informant, knew Oswald was an FBI informant, saw Oswald with Warren DeBrueys, and saw Oswald 10-12 times in Pedro's restaurant, often in the company of Customs and INS agents. His claims about seeing Ferrie and Shaw are not, on their face, outlandish, although they are at odds with pretty much all the evidence and difficult to believe in the context of Shaw's life. It's Pena's other stuff that would make me put his Ferrie-Shaw stuff in the category of a tall tale. If the same thing had been said by some banker who had no connection of any sort with any JFKA stuff, that would be one thing - but Pena was knee-deep in JFKA stuff and clearly trying to implicate Shaw via innuendo for some purpose known only to him.
Gerry Down:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 28, 2026, 06:45:33 PM ---You are conveniently ignoring that he also said he was an FBI informant, knew Oswald was an FBI informant, saw Oswald with Warren DeBrueys, and saw Oswald 10-12 times in Pedro's restaurant, often in the company of Customs and INS agents. His claims about seeing Ferrie and Shaw are not, on their face, outlandish, although they are at odds with pretty much all the evidence and difficult to believe in the context of Shaw's life. It's Pena's other stuff that would make me put his Ferrie-Shaw stuff in the category of a tall tale. If the same thing had been said by some banker who had no connection of any sort with any JFKA stuff, that would be one thing - but Pena was knee-deep in JFKA stuff and clearly trying to implicate Shaw via innuendo for some purpose known only to him.
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I don't see anything unusual with LHO being in the company of FBI and customs. Oswald was ingratiating himself with lots of people in that timeframe that he would be ideologically opposed to such as Bringuier and the Walker rally in October.
And it just happens that if LHO was in the company of the FBI that summer, it would explain why he called them when he was in jail.
It should be remembered that the customs building was directly opposite Penas bar so if one was to see LHO with customs, it would most likely have been in the vicinity of Penas bar.
Benjamin Cole:
GD-
Thanks for your post.
I am a little taken aback by people who (never having met Shaw) say that, "Well, you know Shaw was an elite high-class guy, who would have never been seen in the company of Ferrie, or consorted with him."
Some forget that Shaw and Ferrie shared a strong ideological bond, an opposition to communism (then a big issue). They were both CIA assets. It assumed that Shaw must be a snob, with no evidence for that. And yes, Shaw and Ferrie shared a secret sex lifestyle (at that time and place). They had a lot in common.
The US is not really a class-conscious society; I am sure there are exceptions. But Shaw in the company of Ferrie? Why not?
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