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The best evidence Ferrie and Clay Shaw were close acquaintences
Fred Litwin:
Neither were CIA assets.
There is not one piece of evidence that they knew each other.
Except for the testimony of Perry Russo.
Just because they were both gay doesn't mean they knew each other.
Layton Martens, who knew both of them, said they didn't know each other.
fred
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on January 29, 2026, 02:57:16 AM ---Why not?
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Because there is no evidence - would that be a reason?
Based on your goofy analysis, there are probably 2,000 people in my little town to whom I could be "plausibly connected" via innuendo but in fact have never met.
I forgot to mention that Shaw's housekeeper of 18 years said she had never seen Ferrie.
Tommy Shanks:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on January 29, 2026, 02:57:16 AM ---The US is not really a class-conscious society; I am sure there are exceptions. But Shaw in the company of Ferrie? Why not?
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Benjamin, because, as Fred Litwin has shown here, there is literally no evidence to support such a claim.. and, people who knew both of them and have no reason to distort the truth insist they never knew each other.
Lance Payette:
By way of example, Josephine Hug, who worked in the Trade Mart for several years, was one of the most concerning Ferrie-Shaw "witnesses." For much of the time, she occupied an office adjoining Shaw's. She saw, she told several people, Ferrie go into Shaw's office numerous times carrying an attache case, whereupon Shaw always closed the door. EEK!
If you want to read something humorous, read the transcript of Josephine Hug's appearance before Garrison's grand jury. After Richard Burnes of Garrison's office completely bungles the interrogation, the JURORS take over and do an absolutely superb job of nailing Josephine to the wall. She finally acknowledges that OK, it wasn't Ferrie at all.
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/garr/grandjury/pdf/Hug.pdf
Several months later, Burnes took a stab at interrogating Hug's husband. That didn't go any better, to put it mildly:
https://www.jfk-online.com/hug3.html
Needless to say, Josephine Hug - once a star witness for connecting Shaw to Ferrie - was not called to testify at trial.
But not in conspiracy world, of course. Josephine actually saw a crew-cut David Ferrie go into Shaw's office 10-12 times with an attache case (WHAT WAS IN IT? MAYBE SEX TOYS!), whereupon Shaw mysteriously closed the door (SO THEY COULD HAVE SEX RIGHT THERE ON THE DESK!). Then "they" - whoever "they" are - got to her and TERRORIZED the poor woman into recanting The Truth.
You folks are nuts.
Benjamin Cole:
LP
Yes, but there is evidence Ferrie and Shaw knew each other, from the commentary of Orest Pena, a bar owner before the HSCA.
Perhaps Pena is mistaken, or maybe he is telling the truth.
Pena says Shaw and Ferrie would visit the bar together.
There is no word if Pena's bar was a gay bar, or gay tolerant.
As for hook-ups always hewing to hoity-toity class lines...we all know sexual desire crosses class lines the way the wind blows through the bushes.
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