Were all three shots fired in 5.6 seconds?

[Lance Payette]

Dear FPL,

1. Maybe Oswald didn't realize how difficult a shot it would be.

2) Since the Secret Service follow-up car had just turned onto Elm Street at "Z-124," the "hung over' agents in said car would have had to break their necks to look up at Oswald's sixth-floor Sniper's Nest window.

-- Tom

Oh, dear, now we're getting desperate.

1. So if he didn't recognize the difficulty he was in fact not the sharpest "former Marine sharpshooter" tool in the shed? Even if this is true, he surely knew he'd have to contort himself and get in position for any subsequent shots. Why would he go through this exercise - perhaps he assumed he'd need only the Z-124 shot (which doesn't seem consistent with the way the boxes were stacked)? I realize you're absolutely enamored of the Z-124 theory, but as far as I can tell it's based entirely on supposed "witness reactions," which seems like thin gruel at best.

2. The risk of being seen was scarcely limited to the SS agents. At Z-124 pretty much everyone in the vicinity would have been looking more in the direction of Oswald than after the limo was well past and moving away from his position.

(Is your new avatar someone famous, because I have no clue? I thought we had agreed you were going to give QAnon Shaman a tryout.)

[Lance Payette]

Dear FPL,

From your previous post:

"'Former Marine sharpshooter' ... 'missing everything' at Z-124. Do we see a troubling disconnect here?"

Compare that lame statement with what you said, above, regarding the now-obvious difficulty of the shot.

Do we see a disconnect, here, Counselor?

-- Tom

Alas, no we do not see a disconnect. I was playing on your turf, as we retired former lawyers are inclined to do when we are confident of our client's position. Many the happy motion for summary judgment have I filed that began "Assuming arguendo, for purposes of this motion only, that what the plaintiff claims is in fact true, we are nevertheless entitled to summary judgment because ... blah, blah, blah." My point was simply that since Oswald was in fact a former Marine sharpshooter, why would he not have recognized what your ChatGPT friends deem the obvious difficulty of the shot and why would he have taken it despite the obvious difficulty and greater risks of being seen, blah, blah, blah?

[Royell Storing]

Dear FPL,

1. Maybe Oswald didn't realize how difficult a shot it would be.

2) Since the Secret Service follow-up car had just turned onto Elm Street at "Z-124," the agents in said car, "hung over" or not, would have had to break their necks to look up at Oswald's sixth-floor Sniper's Nest window.

-- Tom

    SS Agents being unable to, "...look up at Oswald's sixth-floor Sniper's Nest window". Because they were, "hung over"?  You do know that this claim of yours also justifies SA Hickey allegedly firing the AR-15 inside Dealey Plaza? Think about it.

[Tom Graves]

Alas, no we do not see a disconnect. I was playing on your turf, as we retired former lawyers are inclined to do when we are confident of our client's position. Many the happy motion for summary judgment have I filed that began "Assuming arguendo, for purposes of this motion only, that what the plaintiff claims is in fact true, we are nevertheless entitled to summary judgment because ... blah, blah, blah." My point was simply that since Oswald was in fact a former Marine sharpshooter, why would he not have recognized what your ChatGPT friends deem the obvious difficulty of the shot and why would he have taken it despite the obvious difficulty and greater risks of being seen, blah, blah, blah?

Dear Lance "The Gaslighting Human Pivot" Payette,

Are Marines trained during boot camp how to shoot a bolt-action short-rifle with-or-without a 4X scope at someone who's riding in a car that's accelerating diagonally away from them and at a sharp downward angle from their six-floor window?

-- Tom

[Tom Graves]

SS Agents being unable to, "...look up at Oswald's sixth-floor Sniper's Nest window" ...because they were, "hung over"? 

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

I said, "'hungover' or not."

Perhaps you missed that part.

-- Tom

[Tom Graves]

Oh, dear, now we're getting desperate.

Dear FPL,

The "oh dear" from you I can understand, but I never realized that you were schizophrenic, too.

Thoughts and prayers.

-- Tom

[Jack Nessan]

Good posts Lance. The answer as to the number of shots plays a huge role in understanding the assassination.

You are absolutely right about the early missed shot being nothing more than a bunch of made-up crap trying to prop up a three-shot scenario. ABC Television supported that made up nonsense of Max Holland’s with a one-hour special, absolutely unbelievable. ABC should have fired everyone involved. The whole theory is totally lacking any evidence and relies on sketchy photos and suspect body movement interpretations. The amazing thing is that it completely ignores all of the witness statements. 100% of the eyewitness's state JFK reacted to the first shot, but they never let that fact get in the way of their BS storyline. Apparently, it is much better to interpret the actions of a child. As if she is aware of a shot that no one else can hear. 

The final nail in the coffin of how many shots there were fired was supplied by Josiah Thompson’s observation, as noted in his book Six Seconds In Dallas, about the indentation occurring on the sides of all of the shells except CE 543. The FBI analysis of the shells states that the indentation is from the chamber of the rifle. No indentation on the side of CE 543 proves CE 543 was never fired in the rifle. The CE 141 cartridge only had to be present in the heat expanded chamber to produce an indention on the side of the cartridge.

Pat Speer did an excellent job of compiling witness statements. Below is a list of witnesses and some of Pat’s analysis of their statements from Pat’s site. One thing to remember is that a number of the two shot witnesses would change their stories and add a shot. A number of the first statement were made to the press not a government agency.

A number of the witnesses are the second shot was the headshot followed by another shot (Marilyn Willis for one example), or a second and third shot with no time element between them or words to that effect. I believe SA Hickey is a good example of a changing statement as was SA Bennett. On the plane back to Washington there was an argument between the passengers as to the number of shots having been fired, according to Newsweek's Charles Roberts. Roberts and Merriman Smith were the only news people that were on the flight.

 

Two shot witnesses

Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, BR Williams, Howard Brennan, SA Greer, A Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix

James Altgens was a two shot witness who stated the one thing he could guarantee was there was no shot after the headshot. Altgens was within 20 to 30 feet of the car.

James Altgens  " ......There was not another shot fired after the President was struck in the head. That was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty."

[Royell Storing]

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

I said, "'hungover' or not."

Perhaps you missed that part.

-- Tom

   Did NOT miss anything you posted. You raised the issue of the SS possibly being hung over to the point of Not being able to look back/up at the 6th Floor sniper's nest. That's ALL You. If you now want to run away from that, just say so.