The JFKA and Gilberto Policarpo Lopez

[Tom Graves]

On another thread, Steve M. Galbraith posted an excerpt from a Gus Russo book that mentions Gilberto Policarpo Lopez and the fact that his possible involvement in the JFKA wasn't adequately investigated by the FBI.

FWIW, Gilberto Policarpo Lopez's estranged daughter contacted me here about five years ago and we exchanged emails. She sent me two photos of him, one of which as a young man. It's kinda sepia colored and I put on the Internet. The other is much more recent, and she asked me to not make it public until he'd passed away.

She said he was violently pro-Castro ("his brother fought for Castro in the Congo"), that he was very good at faking epileptic seizures, that he'd never been sick a day in his life, that he sometimes bragged about the big empty airplane that flew him from Mexico City to Havana a couple of days after the assassination, and that, yes, like the "Oswald" that Roger Craig claimed to watch run down the slope from the general direction of the TSBD and get into a Rambler Station wagon on Elm Street about ten minutes after the assassination, he could whistle very loudly -- "he did it all the time when I was young."

[Benjamin Cole]

When LBJ and Hoover settled on the LN narrative, they intentionally closed off investigation into possible LHO links to G2, Cuban and KGB assets.

Including KGB assets within the CIA, or G2 plants in the Cuban exile community.

No one wanted WWIII.

[Tom Graves]

When LBJ and Hoover settled on the LN narrative, they intentionally closed off investigation into possible LHO links to G2, Cuban and KGB assets.

Including KGB assets within the CIA, or G2 plants in the Cuban exile community.

No one wanted WWIII.

Do you think Gilberto Policarpo Lopez helped Oswald kill JFK?

[Benjamin Cole]

The AI version:

Gilberto Policarpo Lopez was a Cuban-American man investigated by the FBI and CIA in connection with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy due to his proximity to events and travel patterns that eerily paralleled those of Lee Harvey Oswald, leading some researchers to suspect he was a potential second shooter or a "patsy" in a potential conspiracy.
 
Key Points of Connection

JFK Assassination: Lee Harvey Oswald is officially recognized by the Warren Commission as the lone assassin of President Kennedy. Gilberto Policarpo Lopez is a figure from declassified documents who some conspiracy theorists and authors believe may have been involved in a larger plot.

Travel and Timing: Lopez traveled from Tampa to Texas shortly before the assassination and crossed into Mexico just after Kennedy was shot. He then boarded a plane to Cuba and effectively disappeared.

Pro-Castro Sympathies: Both men sought favor from the Fidel Castro regime and had applied for Cuban visas (though both were reportedly denied). Lopez was identified as being present at a Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC) gathering in Tampa in November 1963.

Physical Similarities (Debated): While some sources note they appeared nothing alike, others describe parallels in their situations. Both were living alone after fighting with their wives around the time of the assassination.

FBI/CIA Investigation: The FBI and CIA actively investigated Lopez to determine his movements, potential association with Oswald (no information definitively tied them together in the investigation), and whether he had permission for travel to Cuba.

"Patsy" Theory: One book, "Ultimate Sacrifice," suggests Lopez was a "patsy" in a separate, aborted assassination plot in Tampa just before the Dallas one, a plot that allegedly resembled the Dallas assassination in its design.

The official conclusion of the Warren Commission and subsequent FBI investigations was that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. However, newly available information from declassified CIA files and other documents continues to fuel fresh disagreement and conspiracy theories about potential Cuban-inspired plots or the involvement of additional individuals like Gilberto Policarpo Lopez. You can access many of these declassified records via the National Archives JFK Assassination Records website.

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Getting into Cuba was a trick in 1963.

Was Lopez involved with LHO?

Maybe. The trail is dead-cold by now.

[Tom Graves]

Physical Similarities (Debated): While some sources note they appeared nothing alike, others describe parallels in their situations. Both were living alone after fighting with their wives around the time of the assassination.

Scroll all the way down to the large, sepia-tinted photo of him that his daughter sent to me via email.

(I didn't post it on JFK Boards; somebody else did.)

https://jfk.boards.net/thread/121/erasing-past-protect-fairytale?page=23&scrollTo=2110

For other photos of him, google "Gilberto Policarpo Lopez" and "click" on Images.

The one in which he's wearing sunglasses was taken by Mexican authorities on the night of November 27, 1963, at the Mexico City airport.

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

Thanks for the info.

I would not say Lopez is an LHO lookalike. But they are not poles apart, such a portly black guy and a tall Swede.

[Fred Litwin]

I have looked extensively at the Gilberto Policarpo Lopez stuff and I believe he had nothing to do with anything.

Basically, he had an american mother and he came to the united States in the early  1960s. He did not know english and could only get menial jobs. He got married, but he
developed epilepsy and had to be hospitalized. His marriage fell apart and he decided to go back to Cuba where his family could take care of him. His bad luck - he started his
trip back to Cuba during the weekend of the assassination. He flew to Havana on a cargo plane which is why he was the only passenger.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-destiny-betrayed-misleads-on-supposed-tampa-patsy


https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-gilberto-policarpo-lopez-an-assassin-or-a-patsy

[Tom Graves]

I have looked extensively at the Gilberto Policarpo Lopez stuff and I believe he had nothing to do with anything.

Basically, he had an american mother and he came to the united States in the early  1960s. He did not know english and could only get menial jobs. He got married, but he
developed epilepsy and had to be hospitalized. His marriage fell apart and he decided to go back to Cuba where his family could take care of him. His bad luck - he started his
trip back to Cuba during the weekend of the assassination. He flew to Havana on a cargo plane which is why he was the only passenger.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-destiny-betrayed-misleads-on-supposed-tampa-patsy


https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-gilberto-policarpo-lopez-an-assassin-or-a-patsy

Dear Fred,

His daughter, Lisbette, told me about five years ago that he was very good at faking epileptic seizures, and that he was "never sick a day in his life."


Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:40 PM
to me

Hi Tom,

Here are some of the pictures I mentioned. He now lives in Miami with a brother who I always knew was a big time communist. I can’t remember the title of the book Iliana Ross wrote about him but may be easy to find. The black and white pictures are from Cuba. The color ones in Miami, mid 90’s. 

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 4:03 PM
to Lisbette

Thanks, Lisbette.

Let me ask you outright -- Do you think he might have been involved in any way in the JFK assassination? Has he said anything to you or done anything that might lead you to that conclusion?

(If you do, and don't want anyone else to know, I promise I won't tell anyone.)

One of my favorite authors, Mark Riebling, talks about him a little bit on pages 203, 205 and 206 in his 1994 book, "Wedge". 

(In the chapter titled "Sinister Implications".)

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n2

Thank you for posting what you have posted so far at the forum, btw.

(I'm very unpopular there with members like Michael Clark and Jeff Stanton because I'm the only member (that I know of) who believes the KGB and/or Castro's DGF was behind the assassination ...)

LOL

-- Tom

Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 4:15 PM
to me

All of his brothers, my uncles, were in the military and the oldest, Rafael, if I’m not getting their names confused, (was not my favorite side of the family) was a military attaché in Russia. I remember seeing pictures. My father, Gilberto, also traveled to East Germany before the wall was taken down but I think it was a work related travel or that is what I was told. He has always said he did not do it but he was always a man who did not talk about anything of his past, not even his childhood. We didn’t even know he had taken his mother, my grandmother’s US citizenship, when we were little. My mom found documents by chance one day. We knew he lived in the US, Tampa, Keys, went to Laredo, Mexico, and even met with communist groups. He is to the day a very mean and violent man so it would not surprise me if he did but he has never said. I mentioned he said he was the only one in the cargo plane but don’t know why he told us.

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 4:44 PM
to Lisbette

Fascinating stuff, Lisbette!

I'll read it again more closely, and "mull it over," later ...

Did you ever witness his having an epileptic seizure, or do you know for a fact that he took anti-seizure medicine?

Thanks,
-- Tom


Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 5:12 PM
to me

He never took meds. Never saw him sick. He did martial arts and loved being in shape. And at one point wanted to go to a war in Africa. He told us many times how he faked the seizures and how no one knew it was fake. He did not want to get drafted.

Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 5:38 PM
to me

I forgot to mentioned that days before we left Cuba, men in black, 3 of them, came to our apartment to tell him he would be arrested in the US because of the JFK. At the airport we were stopped and we almost thought we’d not be able to leave.

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 7:23 PM
to Lisbette

Interesting.

What year was that?

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:02 PM
to Lisbette

Approximately?

Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 5:00 AM
to me

We left in 1995 but waited 2 years to get all documents in place. We all came legally because he, Gilberto, was a US citizen. And I remember asking why he didn’t tell us before because we could have left many years before. He said he thought that the citizenship had expired that he could not come back. Apparently we all thought he lived in the US for a few years, worked, and then got homesick. He said he missed his mother. But he was not one to visit her or even a daughter he had with his second marriage. My mom was the 3rd marriage. He was married to an older woman when he lived in the US. She took care of him. He was a lot younger than she was. During the 2 years, we went to the US embassy and no one arrested him. The men were Cuban intelligence I understood. If I remember correctly, it was weeks or days before going to the airport. I don’t know how anyone in the government could have known because we had to keep the process a secret to not call attention from communist neighbors. He was afraid to tell his brothers, especially Rafael and Reimundo, we called him Mundo. None of them were very nice people. They were all cold, angry, and violent. My mother’s family knew but they were anti Castro. I could not even tell friends until a day or two before leaving. The men looked like they came out of a movie, dressed in business suits, black suits and wearing dark glasses. It was odd and I heard how they were scaring my dad to not come to the US that he would be arrested because of the JFK.  I was 18.

Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 5:41 AM
to me

This is him a few weeks ago. Was posted on Facebook by his brother Rene. I’m not in contact with any of them. He lives with Rene and Rene’s family now.


Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 1:03 PM
to me

I’m ok sharing his younger picture only and to please keep confidential and to your discretion with whom you share it with. The others I am not sure I should. I want to respect his privacy and this photo was taken before he was part of my life.

This photo only [My comment: The sepia-tinted one you can find on the Internet]. The others when he is not alive. And again, making sure to say he always said he didn’t do it and that somehow he must have been in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with his communist people.  He is mean on one side but very trusting on another and not impossible someone took advantage of that .

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 2:34 PM
to Lisbette

Okay Lisbette, thanks.

I will protect his and your privacy as best I can.

Do you know what year this photo was taken, where it was taken, and how old he was at the time?

-- Tom

Lisbette xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 2:42 PM
to me

I think it was his passport photo and taken in the 60’s but I am not 100% sure if the exact yr. The picture was taken before I was born and I was born in 76.

Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 4:00 PM
to Lisbette

Lisbette,

Communicating with you via the forum's messenger is problematic for me because it only lets me do one or two of them per day.

Email is much better.

Okay?

-- Tom

   
Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 10:29 PM
to me


Thomas Graves xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 10:35 PM
to me

Hi Lisbette,

How are you?

I got kicked off that JFK Assassination Forum about a year and a-half ago, but as you can see I still have the photos you sent me before that. I've never shared two of those photos with anyone.

Let me ask you, is your father still alive?

Thanks,
-- Tom

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-- Tom