Jim Chaney and the first shot timing

[Steve M. Galbraith]

This is a snip from the description provided by the YouTube poster HelmerReenberg:

Chaney said when he heard the first shot he remembered that it sounded like a motorcycle backfiring and Chaney immediately looked to his left and saw President Kennedy had "looked back over his left shoulder" within the limousine. In the famous Ike Altgens photo taken concurrent with Zapruder film frame 255, Chaney is seen very close to the limousine facing President Kennedy. Chaney further stated that "the second shot hit him in the face," and that a third shot was fired that Chaney did not see hit the president but he did see Governor John B. Connally's shirt erupt in blood.[/u] Chaney stated that the shots he remembered hearing seemed to come from "back over my right shoulder." During the assassination his police uniform was spattered with blood and President Kennedy's head matter.

I don’t see Chaney saying that (bolded and underlined part) in this video though. I would assume he must have made that statement at another time and place. That would be a good question to present to Helmer.

As far as JFK being hit in the face, he wasn’t. JFK was hit in the back of the neck and it exited his throat. Then another shot hit JFK in the back of the head and exited on the upper right side of his head. His face was never hit. If you view JFK in the Altgens photo, he appears to have his hands up around his face at about the level of his mouth. We can also see Chaney looking directly at JFK in the Altgens photo. I can imagine Chaney seeing JFK obviously hit and his hands up near his face at that point and assuming that JFK was hit in the face. Just my two cents worth….

Charles: Chaney was interviewed by the FBI in 1975. He said he heard three "noises", all evenly spaced, and all coming from behind him.

It's puzzling that he said all of the shots sounded like they came from behind him yet said JFK was "hit in the face"?

Here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9965#relPageId=10&search=Chaney

[Royell Storing]

Charles: Chaney was interviewed by the FBI in 1975. He said he heard three "noises", all evenly spaced, and all coming from behind him.

It's puzzling that he said all of the shots sounded like came from behind him yet he said JFK was "hit in the face".

Here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9965#relPageId=10&search=Chaney

  For the record, Chaney is quoted above as saying, "FAIRLY evenly spaced". Chaney was a DPD Motorcycle Officer and therefore wearing a Motorcycle Helmet. This helmet would restrict his hearing.

[Jack Nessan]

   When questioned by Josiah Thompson for his blockbuster, "Six Seconds In Dallas", Sitzman was specific. She said she saw JFK hit, "between the eye and the ear". Bill Newman said the same thing. "Between the eye and the ear" would be extremely close to the "Face" as Officer Chaney said. The key here being that Sitzman, Newman, and Officer Chaney were ALL on the (R) side of JFK, and ALL saying almost exactly the same thing. They saw a bullet strike in the Eye/Ear/Face area.
   I too like the You Tube pieces posted by Reenberg. The JFK Assassination images that he posts are seldom posted elsewhere. He is a very unique/good "image" source

Three shots have not nor will ever explain the assassination. After 62 of debate. A three shot scenario never aligns with the known evidence. That in itself should tell you it is wrong.

The information firsthand coming from the horse's mouth immediately after the assassination is preferred to the opinion of a newscaster years later. DPD Chaney’s description of JFK’s reaction to the shots is exactly like all the other witnesses. First shot and he slumps and leans to the left. Second Shot was the head shot. The face reference is immaterial. It would be hard in that split second to determine the exact location of the wound.

This is a prime example of “medias influence” as stated by the WC, The HSCA, and the HSCA Sound Analysis.

Bill Lord at the end of the interview, made 15 minutes after the assassination, corrects Chaney’s interview and announces DPD Chaney heard three shots. DPD Chaney clearly identified there were only two shots. 

Jay Watson did the same thing to Bill Newman. Bill Newman repeatedly told him he only heard two shots. 

Medias Influence was not a gradual thing but an immediate and abrupt disruption based on the News Flash of Merriman Smith and read by Walter Cronkite 3 minutes later. Jay Watson was holding the news flash in his hand and Gayle Newman can be seen reading it. 

[Charles Collins]

Three shots have not nor will ever explain the assassination. After 62 of debate. A three shot scenario never aligns with the known evidence. That in itself should tell you it is wrong.

The information firsthand coming from the horse's mouth immediately after the assassination is preferred to the opinion of a newscaster years later. DPD Chaney’s description of JFK’s reaction to the shots is exactly like all the other witnesses. First shot and he slumps and leans to the left. Second Shot was the head shot. The face reference is immaterial. It would be hard in that split second to determine the exact location of the wound.

This is a prime example of “medias influence” as stated by the WC, The HSCA, and the HSCA Sound Analysis.

Bill Lord at the end of the interview, made 15 minutes after the assassination, corrects Chaney’s interview and announces DPD Chaney heard three shots. DPD Chaney clearly identified there were only two shots. 

Jay Watson did the same thing to Bill Newman. Bill Newman repeatedly told him he only heard two shots. 

Medias Influence was not a gradual thing but an immediate and abrupt disruption based on the News Flash of Merriman Smith and read by Walter Cronkite 3 minutes later. Jay Watson was holding the news flash in his hand and Gayle Newman can be seen reading it.

First shot and he slumps and leans to the left.

That is not what Chaney said. He said JFK appeared to be looking over his left shoulder. The only place we see anything of that nature is in the clip provided in the first post in this thread. It is from about the mid Z40s to mid Z150s.

 I cannot believe that Chaney would describe JFK as looking over his left shoulder after he was shot around Z224. It should be obvious to anyone who sees the Zapruder film that at that point JFK was reacting to being shot. Chaney wouldn’t have left that part out.

[Charles Collins]

Charles: Chaney was interviewed by the FBI in 1975. He said he heard three "noises", all evenly spaced, and all coming from behind him.

It's puzzling that he said all of the shots sounded like they came from behind him yet said JFK was "hit in the face"?

Here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9965#relPageId=10&search=Chaney

Thanks Steve, I have been searching for something like that without any luck. That’s very helpful. I agree about the puzzling part. I already said what I think could have happened.

[Jack Nessan]

First shot and he slumps and leans to the left.

That is not what Chaney said. He said JFK appeared to be looking over his left shoulder. The only place we see anything of that nature is in the clip provided in the first post in this thread. It is from about the mid Z40s to mid Z150s.

 I cannot believe that Chaney would describe JFK as looking over his left shoulder after he was shot around Z224. It should be obvious to anyone who sees the Zapruder film that at that point JFK was reacting to being shot. Chaney wouldn’t have left that part out.

There is a 4K version of the Zapruder Film that is clear enough to clearly make out Stella Jacobs face when she turns to the right. It helps with viewing JFK’s and others movements in the Zapruder film.

So, DPD Chaney’s shooting sequence is:

DPD Chaney’s shot one is a miss. 

DPD Chaney’s shot two is the headshot. 

No mention of the shot through the throat because he never heard the shot or seen JFK react, even though he is clearly seen staring right at him in the Altgen's photo?

 

 

[Charles Collins]

There is a 4K version of the Zapruder Film that is clear enough to clearly make out Stella Jacobs face when she turns to the right. It helps with viewing JFK’s and others movements in the Zapruder film.

So, DPD Chaney’s shooting sequence is:

DPD Chaney’s shot one is a miss. 

DPD Chaney’s shot two is the headshot. 

No mention of the shot through the throat because he never heard the shot or seen JFK react, even though he is clearly seen staring right at him in the Altgen's photo?

Here is what Chaney reportedly told the FBI in 1975:

[Tom Graves]

When questioned by Josiah Thompson for his blockbuster, "Six Seconds in Dallas", Sitzman was specific. She said she saw JFK hit, "between the eye and the ear". Bill Newman said the same thing. "Between the eye and the ear" would be extremely close to the "Face" as Officer Chaney said. The key here being that Sitzman, Newman, and Officer Chaney were all on the (R) side of JFK, and all saying almost exactly the same thing. They saw a bullet strike in the Eye/Ear/Face area.

Comrade Storing.

Bullets travel pretty darn fast.

They create entrance wounds as well as, oftentimes, exit wounds.

JFK's head sustained both.

Did Sitzman, Newman and Chaney have superhuman high-speed vision which enabled them to see the bullet actually penetrate JFK's skull where they believed it did?

-- Tom