What's your favorite reason for believing Oswald didn't do it?

[Dan O'meara]

Dear widdle danny BOY o'meara,

Not a "couple of aisles over," but one aisle over, between the third and fourth windows from the corner of the building. (The first and second windows were inside Oswald's Sniper's Nest.)

The fact that Bonnie Ray set his used lunch bag on top of a stack of boxes, probably while on his way down to the fifth floor, seems suspicious to you?

How long have you been paranoiac, widdle danny BOY o'meara?

Perhaps you should get professional help.

-- Tom

It's tiring having to deal with your lack of basic knowledge about this case.
The two wheeler truck, where Bonnie Ray's lunch remains were photographed by Studebaker, is at the end of the third aisle over from Houston, in front of the third set of windows from the east side of the building. Ball mistakenly refers to each set of windows as a single window and, because he represents the Warren Commission, you have just swallowed it down without question.
In order for Bonnie Ray to casually leave his lunch remains ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest on his way down to the 5th floor, he would have to walk all the way to the end of the third aisle from Houston Street, take a right, walk over two aisles and then walk all the way down the first aisle to the Sniper's Nest, leave his lunch on top of the Sniper's Nest, turn around, walk all the way down the first aisle then all the way across the back of the building to the northwest corner.

Your belief that the two wheeler truck was in the aisle next to the Sniper's Nest is incorrect.
The question still remains - how did Bonnie Ray's lunch remains end up on top of the Sniper's Nest if he had his lunch in the third aisle along?
You have clearly checked the Statements/testimonies of the first officers on the scene who reported the lunch remains on top of the SN.
You accept that the lunch remains were initially found there.
But you have failed to explain how they got there.

[Tom Graves]

It's tiring having to deal with your lack of basic knowledge about this case. The two-wheeler truck, where Bonnie Ray's lunch remains were photographed by Studebaker, is at the end of the third aisle over from Houston, in front of the third set of windows from the east side of the building. Ball mistakenly refers to each set of windows as a single window and, because he represents the Warren Commission, you have just swallowed it down without question. In order for Bonnie Ray to casually leave his lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest on his way down to the 5th floor, he would have to walk all the way to the end of the third aisle from Houston Street, take a right, walk over two aisles and then walk all the way down the first aisle to the Sniper's Nest, leave his lunch on top of the Sniper's Nest, turn around, walk all the way down the first aisle then all the way across the back of the building to the northwest corner. Your belief that the two wheeler truck was in the aisle next to the Sniper's Nest is incorrect. The question still remains - how did Bonnie Ray's lunch remains end up on top of the Sniper's Nest if he had his lunch in the third aisle along? You have clearly checked the Statements/testimonies of the first officers on the scene who reported the lunch remains on top of the SN. You accept that the lunch remains were initially found there. But you have failed to explain how they got there.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Williams' labeling the windows he ate lunch near as "W3" and "W4" on the floor plan was grossly inaccurate?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=227&search=sixth

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Williams' labeling the windows he ate lunch near as "W3" and "W4" on the floor plan was grossly inaccurate?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=227&search=sixth

-- Tom

  Oh brother...doing your research for you is a drag.
It isn't Williams who labels the windows, it's Ball.
Bonnie Ray refers to 'sets' of windows:

Mr. WILLIAMS. I ate my lunch-1 am not sure about this, but the third or the  fourth set of windows, I believe.

NOT the third or fourth window...the third or fourth set of windows.
Bonnie Ray is saying that he sat in the third or fourth aisle over from Houston Street, as each aisle ends in a set of windows.
Each set of windows comprises of two windows but Ball, one of your heroes, mistakenly starts referring to each set of double windows as a single window, so you blindly follow his lead. That's why he labels each set of windows "W3" etc.

Luckily, because I do actual research, I'm aware of Studebaker's testimony in which he informs us, in detail, where the two wheeler is situated. It is at the end of the third aisle along from the Houston Street side of the building. It is in front of the third set of windows.

It doesn't matter though.
It doesn't matter how much evidence is presented showing how wrong you are.
You have demonstrated that you are just one of those guys whose mind is made up and no amount of evidence is going to change that.
Your incredibly weak attempt at explaining how Bonnie Ray's lunch remains were initially discovered ON TOP OF THE SNIPER'S NEST has failed. You will just make some other nonsense up or stick to your original nonsense, no matter what.
The one thing you will not do is consider the importance of this, seemingly innocuous, piece of evidence.

Just for laughs, here's what Studebaker has to say:

"I believe that's in the third aisle and let's see what it is marked - it's the sixth floor of 411 Elm Street looking south and the third aisle from Houston Street on the south side of the building. That was taken looking directly into that - this is the sack with those chicken bones and all that mess was in there too."

Mr. BALL. That's the third row over?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. That's the third aisle from Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. That would be the third set of windows?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. That would be the third set of windows - it would be - one, two, three.
Mr. BALL. The third set of windows from Houston Street - you mark it.
Mr. STUDEBAKER. Yes

Do some research.

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Whose lunch bag did Kent Biffle find under the two-wheeler, not far from the empty bottle of Dr. Pepper two "sets" of windows over from Oswald's window, which lunch bag had chicken bones, a bit of Frito corn chip and some wax paper according to DPD Crime Scene Investigator Robert Lee Studebaker?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Whose lunch bag did Kent Biffle find under the two-wheeler, not far from the empty bottle of Dr. Pepper two "sets" of windows over from Oswald's window, which lunch bag had chicken bones, a bit of Frito corn chip and some wax paper according to DPD Crime Scene Investigator Robert Lee Studebaker?

-- Tom

So, you've abandoned your silly notion that Bonnie Ray had his lunch in the third aisle then casually strolled over to the Sniper's Nest and left his lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest on his way to the 5th floor.
You are correct to abandon it, as it was nonsense.
The lunch remains found by the two-wheeler are Bonnie Ray's lunch remains. Studebaker is clear that there was only one set of lunch remains found on the 6th floor.
This is the problem, which I have no doubt you are going to continue ducking - HOW IS IT THESE SAME LUNCH REMAINS WERE INITIALLY DISCOVERED ON TOP OF THE SNIPER'S NEST?

The lunch remains photographed by Studebaker by the two-wheeler, at the end of the third aisle, in front of the third set of windows from Houston Street, were initially discovered by Luke Mooney ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest. Luke Mooney was the  officer who discovered the SN, the first person on that scene after the shooting.
This means two things:
1] When Bonnie Ray finished his lunch he left the remains of the lunch on top of the Sniper's Nest. Why would he do that?
2] These lunch remains were removed from the Sniper's Nest and placed by the two-wheeler truck shortly after their discovery. Who did that and why?

Five of the first officers on the scene after Mooney described the lunch remains as being in the area of the Sniper's Nest. At least two of these officers, along with Mooney, describe the lunch remains ON TOP of the SN.

Bonnie Ray testified that he had his lunch by the two-wheeler truck.
But his lunch remains were found on top of the Sniper's Nest, some 30 feet away.
By the time Fritz was on the scene these lunch remains had been removed and placed by the two-wheeler truck.

What is going on here?
Why did the Warren Commission Sham completely ignore the testimony/statements of the six officers who discovered the lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest?
Are you also going to ignore their testimony?

[Tom Graves]

The lunch remains found by the two-wheeler are Bonnie Ray's lunch remains.

Studebaker is clear that there was only one set of lunch remains found on the 6th floor.

How is it these same lunch remains were initially discovered on top of the Sniper's Nest?

The lunch remains photographed by Studebaker by the two-wheeler at the end of the third aisle, in front of the third set of windows from Houston Street, were initially discovered by Luke Mooney on top of the Sniper's Nest.

This means two things:

1] When Bonnie Ray finished his lunch, he left the remains on top of the Sniper's Nest. Why would he do that?

2] These lunch remains were removed from the Sniper's Nest and placed by the two-wheeler truck shortly after their discovery. Who did that and why?

Five of the first officers on the scene after [after what? Mooney described the lunch remains as being in the area of the Sniper's Nest. At least two of these officers, along with Mooney, describe the lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest.

Bonnie Ray testified that he had his lunch by the two-wheeler truck, but his lunch remains were found on top of the Sniper's Nest, some 30 feet away.

By the time Fritz was on the scene, these lunch remains had been removed and placed by the two-wheeler truck.

What is going on here?

Why did the Warren Commission completely ignore the testimony/statements of the six officers who discovered the lunch remains on top of the Sniper's Nest?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Where did Billy Ray Williams eat his lunch?

Inside the Sniper's Nest?

-- Tom

[Jack Nessan]

Chicken Bone Story as compiled by Colin Crow


Two lunches. There was BRW’s lunch with a pop bottle and Fritos bag right where he stated it was located, 3rd aisle. In addition, there was a single piece of chicken on a carton used as a barricade with an explanation from Mr. Shelley. Not one of these officers statements mention the frito bag or pop bottle.

Mr. BALL - Now you say that you thought that you had seen someone had eaten fried chicken that morning?
Mr. SHELLEY - I thought I had; those colored boys are always eating chicken
 
Bonnie Ray Williams stated that he ate his lunch near the 3rd set of windows on the south side of the sixth floor.

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Luke Mooney was first on the scene of the SN. His initial report mentions the lunch.
 
COUNTY OF DALLAS
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
SUPPLEMENTARY INVESTIGATION REPORT
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY
Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney, Dallas County Sheriff's Department.
Date: November 23 1963
I was standing in front of the Sheriff's office at 505 Main Street, Dallas, When President Kennedy and the motorcade passed by. Within a few seconds after he had passed me and the motorcade had turned the corner I heard a shot and I immediately started running towards the front of the motorcade and within seconds heard a second and a third shot. I started running across Houston Street and down across the lawn to the triple underpass and up the terrace to the railroad yards. I searched along with many other officers, this area, when Sheriff Bill Decker came up and told me and the Officers Sam Webster and Billy Joe Vickery to surround the Texas School Book Depository building. As we approached the two big steel wire gates to the building dock at the back of the building on Elm Street side, we saw that the loading dock had locks on it and I then pulled the steel gates closed and requested of a citizen standing there to see that no-one came out or went in until I could get a uniformed officer there, which he did. Officers Webster, Victory, and myself took to the building. Officers Webster and Victory took the stairs and I told them I would take the freight elevator. At the time I got on the elevator two women who work in the building got on the elevator, saying they wanted to go to their office. As the elevator started up, we went up one floor and the power to the elevator was cut off. I got out on the floor with these women and looked around in their office and I then took to the stairs and went to the 6th floor, and Officers Webster and Vickery went up to the 7th floor. I was the only person on the 6th floor when I searched it and was reasonably sure that there was no one else on this floor as I searched it and then criss-crossed it, seeing only stacks of cartons of books. I was at that time also checking for open windows and fire escapes. I found where someone had been using a skill saw in laying some flooring in one corner of this floor and I then went to the 7th floor and was assisting in searching it out and crawled into the attic opening and decided it was too dark and came down to order flash lights. I then went on back to the 6th floor and went direct to the far corner and then discovered a cubby hole which had been constructed out of cartons which protected it from sight and found where someone had been in an area of perhaps 2 feet surrounded by cardboard cartons of books. Inside this cubby hole affair was three more boxes so arranged as to provide what appeared to be a rest for a rifle. On one of these cartons was a half-eaten piece of chicken. The minute that I saw the expended shells on the floor, I hung my head out of the half opened window and signalled to Sheriff Bill Decker and Captain Will Fritz who were outside the building and advised them to send up the Crime Lab Officers at once that I had located the area from which the shots had been fired. At this time, Officers Webster, Victory, and McCurley came over to this spot and we guarded this spot until Crime Lab Officers got upstairs within a matter of a few minutes. We then turned this area over to Captain Fritz and his officers for processing. At this time I continued to search this 6th floor along with many other officers and within a few minutes, I heard Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone holler out that he had found the rifle near the staircase between some rows of cartons. We continued to search the building for a suspect.
 
Note that Mooney does not mention the lunch prior to discovery of the SN.
 
McCurley's Report
 
 
Officer A. D. McCurley, Deputy Sheriff, Dallas County Sheriff's Office (Statement 11/22/63)
 
Officer Jack Faulkner and I, together with several other City officers went to the building and started checking the floors. We were searching the 6th floor when Deputy Sheriff Mooney, who was also on the 6th floor, hollered that he had found the place where the assassin had fired from. I went over and saw 3 expended shells laying by the window that faced onto Elm Street, along with a half-eaten piece of chicken that was laying on a cardboard carton. It appeared as if the assassin had piled up a bunch of boxes to hide from the view of anyone who happened to come up on that floor and had arranged 3 other cartons of books next to the window as though to make a rifle rest. This area was roped off and guarded until Captain Will Fritz of Dallas Police Department Homicide Bureau arrived. It was about this same time that Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone yelled that he had found the rifle which had been placed between some rows of cardboard boxes near the staircase which leads down to the 5th floor.
 
Officer Jack Faulkner
 
There were also some chicken bones. Evidently he had chicken for his lunch. There were people that worked with him that had left maybe at noon. I don't know where they went because I didn't investigate that part of it. I've also heard of a bag which carried the rifle, but I never saw that. It could have been there, but I didn't notice it.
From "No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy" - Larry A. Sneed
 
Officer Roger Craig, Deputy Sheriff
Mr. BELIN - About how soon after they were found did you see them, laying on the floor?
Mr. CRAIG - Oh, a couple of minutes. I went right on over there. I was at the far north end of the building. The cartridges were on the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN - Well, how did you know they had been found there? Did someone yell---or what?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes; someone yelled across the room that "here's the shells."
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember who that was?
Mr. CRAIG - No; I couldn't recognize the voice.
Mr. BELIN - All right. Then, what did you do?
Mr. CRAIG - I went over there and--uh--didn't get too close because the shells were laying on the ground and there was--uh--oh, a sack and a bunch of things laying over there. So, you know, not to bother the area, I just went back across.
Mr. BELIN - Now, you say there was a sack laying there?
Mr. CRAIG - Yes; I believe it was laying on top of a box, if I'm not mistaken.
Mr. BELIN - How big a sack was that?
Mr. CRAIG - It was a paper bag (indicating with hands)--a small paper bag.
Mr. BELIN - Well, the kind-of paper bag that you carry your lunch in?
Mr. CRAIG - Yeah,--uh-huh.
 
Gerald Hill also recalls the finding of the SN and the Chicken Leg and Bag of top of the SN Boxes
 
Mr. HILL. We hadn't been there but a minute until someone yelled, "Here it is," or words to that effect.
I moved over and found they had found an area where the boxes had been stacked in sort of a triangle shape with three sides over near the window.
Mr. BELIN. What did you see over there?
Mr. HILL. There was the boxes. The boxes were stacked in sort of a three-sided shield.
That would have concealed from general view, unless somebody specifically walked up and looked over them, anyone who was in a sitting or crouched position between them and the window. In front of this window and to the left or east corner of the window, there were two boxes, cardboard boxes that had the words "Roller books," on them.
On top of the larger stack of boxes that would have been used for concealment, there was a chicken leg bone and a paper sack which appeared to have been about the size normally used for a lunch sack. I wouldn't know what the sizes were. It was a sack, I would say extended, it would probably be 12 inches high, 10 inches long, and about 4 inches thick.
 
At this point, I asked the deputy sheriff to guard the scene, not to let anybody touch anything, and I went over still further west to another window about the middle of the building on the south side and yelled down to the street for them to send us the crime lab.
 
 
 
Harry Weatherford
 
The 11-23-63 report of Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford notes "I came down to the 6th floor, and while searching this floor, Deputy Luke Mooney said "here are some shells." I went over to where he was and saw 3 expended rifle shells, a sack on the floor and a partially eaten piece of chicken on top of one of the cartons which was used as a sort of barricade."
 
Officer Brewer
Mr. BELIN. Did you go and take a look at the cartridge cases?
Mr. BREWER. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. How many cartridge cases did you see?
Mr. BREWER. Three.
Mr. BELIN. Where were they?
Mr. BREWER. They were there under, by the window.
Mr. BELIN. What window?
Mr. BREWER. In the southeast corner of the building, facing south.
Mr. BELIN. See anything else there at the time by the window?
Mr. BREWER. Paper lunch sack and some chicken bones or partially eaten piece of chicken, or a piece at chicken.
 
Officer Haygood
Mr. BELIN. You saw some shells there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you see them?
Mr. HAYGOOD. They were there under the window.
Mr. BELIN. Which window?
Mr. HAYGOOD. On the southeast corner.
Mr. BELIN. South side or east side?
Mr. HAYGOOD. On the southeast corner facing south.
Mr. BELIN. See any paper bags or anything around there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes; there was a lunch bag there. You could call it a lunch bag.
Mr. BALL. Where was that?
Mr. HAYGOOD. There at the same location where the shells were.
 
Eugene Boone
 
Mentions seeing the chicken before discovering the rifle in his Oral History with the 6th Floor Museum.