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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #308 on: July 06, 2026, 03:14:53 PM »
Lovelady also has a bald head.
I assume you agree that the woman this man is talking to is Gloria Calvery. If that is the case your identification is clearly in error.
Molina states that he interacted with Gloria and her companion inside the lobby.
Lovelady states he interacted with Gloria while he was still on the steps.
Frazier also recalls a lady, who can only be Gloria, coming up to the steps and telling everyone about the shooting in a distraught manner.
This is what we are seeing here.

You've also skipped over this part of my post:


So many researchers have swallowed down the 'sharpened' image supposedly identifying Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension approximately 20-25 seconds after the shooting.
What these researchers reach for is the WC testimonies of these men in which they state they wandered along the extension after the shooting.
However, what these same researchers are willing to ignore in the same testimonies boggles the mind:

Both men state they remained on the steps after the shooting until Gloria Calvery came up to the steps.
Both men testified that it was at least 3 minutes until Gloria came running up.
Both men testified that they only left the steps after listening to Gloria talk about the shooting.
Both men testified that they then moved out to the "little old island" after interacting with Gloria.
Both men testified that it was AFTER they left the steps that they turned around and saw Truly and Baker still outside the building.

The WC testimony of both men is a tissue of easily disprovable lies. Lies disproven by the Darnell/Couch footage. Disproven by the Truly/Baker time trials. Disproven by the testimony of Victoria Adams who saw both men on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the shooting. Disproven by their own same-day affidavits, which make no mention of this fictitious trip along the extension.


How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with this image?
Also, the man in the image is not wearing the pure white shirt of Molina.




PS: I identify the woman in white as Hicks because I have a vague memory that a researcher talked to Carol Reed who said she had no memory of accompanying Gloria back to the steps. I also have the vague memory that researcher was you.

   Excellent still frame that drives your Lovelady ID home. I also believe that still frame also strengthens the other guy being Shelley.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #309 on: July 07, 2026, 10:28:47 PM »
You're bucking against reality because the man fast-walking up the extension is provably Lovelady because of the unmistakable plaid pattern seen on his shirt...
The only other alternative then becomes Molina...Not only can you see the shape of Molina's head on this man, in the best resolution copies, but you can also see Molina's distinct bald pattern that is different than Lovelady's...This man who is facing Calvery is in the exact position Molina said he was in when he said he walked across the top platform from the east side to the west and then went down the front steps...

Molina did interact with Calvery and the other woman in the Lobby when he returned...The fact he interacted with them in the Lobby when he returned does not preclude him from being the man facing Calvery in Darnell...

1] You're clearly unaware what the topic of this thread is. Read the OP at least.
2] The man in the image I posted is also wearing a plaid shirt and, most definitely, not the white shirt Molina was wearing.
3] During his WC testimony Molina is specifically asked if a girl had come up while he was on the steps and mentioned the President being shot, to which he said "no". This alone proves it wasn't Molina. When asked about Gloria he mentioned nothing about being on the steps. He specifically states he was in the lobby when he interacted with her. Molina's WC testimony does preclude him from being the man on the steps. As does the lack of white shirt:

Mr. BALL. Had somebody come up and said the President was shot before you saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. No.
Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.


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Frazier said Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps before they took off up the extension...The Couch/Darnell clip shows the period after this exchange while Lovelady & Shelley have already taken off up the extension...Calvery telling Lovelady & Shelley that Kennedy had been shot at the Knoll is what caused the pair to want to run up there and check it out...



When did Frazier say this?
During his WC testimony he seems to be just guessing what Shelley and Lovelady did. He doesn't seem to really know.

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The reason I assumed it was Reed is because she told me that all she remembered was panicking and running back to the Depository...Reed told me she remembers being in such a panicked state that she had to hurdle over motorcade spectators who had laid down on the ground trying to avoid bullets...Logic makes me assume the woman in all white next to Calvery is Reed simply because of that panic getting her there ahead of Hicks, who is probably the woman in the white blouse and black skirt who followed-up Calvery and Reed from their position in the spectators...

Because of a certain martinet moderator on The EF, because this exclusive interview with Reed came from me, it was met with wicked disinterest...The idea is that anything that comes from me, no matter how significant and unprecedented, is to be wickedly ignored with intent and denied...A purposeful destruction of the source no matter how important the content...A violation of commonly understood research standards as a preferred organized method...Anti-intellectualism in its most satanically directed form...Banning on that forum is a call to the mob for personal destruction of that researcher and his research...Savages pretending to be gentlemen...

Reed or Hicks. It doesn't really matter but if you feel from your interview of Reed that it might have been her that's good enough for me.
I'm still pretty sure you said something else but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
For what it's worth, you had left this forum not long after I was getting involved. I thought the Prayer Man cult was pure nonsense and it seemed to me the only real candidate was Sarah Stanton. When I expressed this I was surprised by how vehement the opposition was to this notion. There were a lot of insults but the main one was the 'new Brian Doyle'. I get the impression I was supposed to be really offended by this.

LATER EDIT: How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with the identification of the men on the extension. This is what really disproves the identification so I would like to hear how you navigate it.
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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #310 on: Yesterday at 02:31:25 AM »
I've tried as much as I can, blindly messing about with sharpening, contrast, etc., to bring out the pattern in the shirt but to no avail:



The more I look at it, the more mystified I am by the Sprague picture that Kamp used to create his 'Lovelady' image.
Compared to the image I cropped from the incredibly high quality Crouch footage that Royell steered me too, the Sprague image is totally inferior.
Yet, out of nowhere, there is this unbelievable amount of detail in the Sprague image - but only in Lovelady's shirt!
This level of detail is not to be seen anywhere in the larger image.
What am I missing?

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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #311 on: Today at 02:33:19 PM »

2] The man in the image I posted is also wearing a plaid shirt and, most definitely, not the white shirt Molina was wearing.
3] During his WC testimony Molina is specifically asked if a girl had come up while he was on the steps and mentioned the President being shot, to which he said "no". This alone proves it wasn't Molina. When asked about Gloria he mentioned nothing about being on the steps. He specifically states he was in the lobby when he interacted with her. Molina's WC testimony does preclude him from being the man on the steps. As does the lack of white shirt:

Mr. BALL. Had somebody come up and said the President was shot before you saw Truly go in?
Mr. MOLINA. No.
Mr. BALL. Do you know a girl named Gloria Calvary?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did Gloria come up?
Mr. MOLINA. Yes, she came. I was in the lobby standing there and she came in with this other girl.


The two men fast-walking up the Elm Street extension are Lovelady & Shelley...

The man in front of Calvery can be further examined by obtaining the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell and applying high tech digital enhancement...

The Couch/Darnell clip is a 4 second long series of frames...Your image here denies us the best frame of Molina and his bald pate...Frankly I don't trust your image and I'm not sure photo shop games haven't been played with it in order to merge Lovelady in with it...The JFK research community is dysfunctional and corrupted...It operates in a way that prevents evidence being examined instead of honestly pursued...I need that 1st generation copy in order to look at the highest resolution examples of this man...I assure you he is Molina...



When did Frazier say this?
During his WC testimony he seems to be just guessing what Shelley and Lovelady did. He doesn't seem to really know.


Frazier said it in one of his interviews or statements...He said that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery had told the pair what she had seen at the Knoll and that inspired them to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...They then went back inside the Depository through the west side doors to the 1st Floor...Adams & Styles had gotten out the rear before they came back in...I think you are well aware the timing for that little talk at the base of the stairs is shown perfectly in Couch/Darnell where Calvery is climbing the stairs at just the right distance from that talk as are Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension at just the right distance from that talk... 


Reed or Hicks. It doesn't really matter but if you feel from your interview of Reed that it might have been her that's good enough for me.
I'm still pretty sure you said something else but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
For what it's worth, you had left this forum not long after I was getting involved. I thought the Prayer Man cult was pure nonsense and it seemed to me the only real candidate was Sarah Stanton. When I expressed this I was surprised by how vehement the opposition was to this notion. There were a lot of insults but the main one was the 'new Brian Doyle'. I get the impression I was supposed to be really offended by this.


I don't know what you are talking about...My emphasis on this board has always been that the Davidson Enhancement clearly showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man...It is out of my control if people want to play games with that obvious conclusion...Reed told me when she got to the passenger elevator the electricity for it was off and it didn't work...Very important evidence that none of the so-called serious researchers were even interested in...As long as it comes from me, no matter how important, the clique demands it be ignored...Not very credible...


LATER EDIT: How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with the identification of the men on the extension. This is what really disproves the identification so I would like to hear how you navigate it.


Barry Ernest explains it best...The authorities got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and change their departure from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to scuttle Victoria Adams' witnessing...Adams & Styles clattered by on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on their way down and out...Oswald heard that noise and got up from his seat in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and went to the Vestibule door window for that Lunch Room...Oswald was standing there stationary watching the stairs when he saw a police officer emerge on to the staircase landing...He was startled by this and flinched back from the Vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop instincts and he pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Both Baker & Truly saw Oswald's lunch on the table and knew he was in there the whole time - which is why Baker broke off without saying anything and started up the stairs...Baker hems and haws in his Commission testimony on how exactly he saw Oswald because he knows he can't tell this true version because it exonerates Oswald...Proof this is correct is the fact the Warren Commission never asked either Truly or Baker "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time during the assassination?"...This cracking of the conspiracy is desperately kept off The Education Forum...I'm not sure that forum isn't a den of spooks trying to look like researchers...
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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #312 on: Today at 03:42:53 PM »

The two men fast-walking up the Elm Street extension are Lovelady & Shelley...

The man in front of Calvery can be further examined by obtaining the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell and applying high tech digital enhancement...

The Couch/Darnell clip is a 4 second long series of frames...Your image here denies us the best frame of Molina and his bald pate...Frankly I don't trust your image and I'm not sure photo shop games haven't been played with it in order to merge Lovelady in with it...The JFK research community is dysfunctional and corrupted...It operates in a way that prevents evidence being examined instead of honestly pursued...I need that 1st generation copy in order to look at the highest resolution examples of this man...I assure you he is Molina...




Frazier said it in one of his interviews or statements...He said that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery had told the pair what she had seen at the Knoll and that inspired them to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...They then went back inside the Depository through the west side doors to the 1st Floor...Adams & Styles had gotten out the rear before they came back in...I think you are well aware the timing for that little talk at the base of the stairs is shown perfectly in Couch/Darnell where Calvery is climbing the stairs at just the right distance from that talk as are Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension at just the right distance from that talk... 



I don't know what you are talking about...My emphasis on this board has always been that the Davidson Enhancement clearly showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man...It is out of my control if people want to play games with that obvious conclusion...Reed told me when she got to the passenger elevator the electricity for it was off and it didn't work...Very important evidence that none of the so-called serious researchers were even interested in...As long as it comes from me, no matter how important, the clique demands it be ignored...Not very credible...



Barry Ernest explains it best...The authorities got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and change their departure from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to scuttle Victoria Adams' witnessing...Adams & Styles clattered by on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on their way down and out...Oswald heard that noise and got up from his seat in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and went to the Vestibule door window for that Lunch Room...Oswald was standing there stationary watching the stairs when he saw a police officer emerge on to the staircase landing...He was startled by this and flinched back from the Vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop instincts and he pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Both Baker & Truly saw Oswald's lunch on the table and knew he was in there the whole time - which is why Baker broke off without saying anything and started up the stairs...Baker hems and haws in his Commission testimony on how exactly he saw Oswald because he knows he can't tell this true version because it exonerates Oswald...Proof this is correct is the fact the Warren Commission never asked either Truly or Baker "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time during the assassination?"...This cracking of the conspiracy is desperately kept off The Education Forum...I'm not sure that forum isn't a den of spooks trying to look like researchers...

   You claim that Shelley and Lovelady were inspired by Calvery to, "...head up the knoll to see for themselves". Walking down the Elm St Extension toward the train yard is NOT "..head up the KNOLL". Just what do you define as the "KNOLL"? It is definitely Not the Elm St Extension and Not the Train Yard.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #313 on: Today at 10:25:16 PM »

The two men fast-walking up the Elm Street extension are Lovelady & Shelley...

What evidence do you have for this.
I have plenty to demonstrate, beyond any doubt, that these two men are not Shelley and Lovelady.
If it's a case of "well, it looks like that to me", that's fair enough.

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The man in front of Calvery can be further examined by obtaining the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell and applying high tech digital enhancement...

Why can't you examine the image I posted.

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The Couch/Darnell clip is a 4 second long series of frames...Your image here denies us the best frame of Molina and his bald pate...Frankly I don't trust your image and I'm not sure photo shop games haven't been played with it in order to merge Lovelady in with it...The JFK research community is dysfunctional and corrupted...It operates in a way that prevents evidence being examined instead of honestly pursued...I need that 1st generation copy in order to look at the highest resolution examples of this man...I assure you he is Molina...

So, what makes you think the image you rely on for your identification hasn't been tampered with AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD IS SUGGESTING?

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Frazier said it in one of his interviews or statements...He said that Lovelady & Shelley spoke to Calvery at the base of the steps...Calvery had told the pair what she had seen at the Knoll and that inspired them to head up to the Knoll to see for themselves...They then went back inside the Depository through the west side doors to the 1st Floor...Adams & Styles had gotten out the rear before they came back in...I think you are well aware the timing for that little talk at the base of the stairs is shown perfectly in Couch/Darnell where Calvery is climbing the stairs at just the right distance from that talk as are Lovelady & Shelley going up the extension at just the right distance from that talk...

Obviously, Brian, you are not one for debate.
You have a very LN vibe in that you believe your pronouncements are enough on the matter and that everyone else should fall into line.
You offer no evidence or arguments that emanate from that evidence.
You are wrong regarding almost every single pronouncement you have made on this matter.
I think we'll just agree to disagree.
 



I don't know what you are talking about...My emphasis on this board has always been that the Davidson Enhancement clearly showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man...It is out of my control if people want to play games with that obvious conclusion...Reed told me when she got to the passenger elevator the electricity for it was off and it didn't work...Very important evidence that none of the so-called serious researchers were even interested in...As long as it comes from me, no matter how important, the clique demands it be ignored...Not very credible...



Barry Ernest explains it best...The authorities got Lovelady & Shelley to lie and change their departure from the front steps to 3 minutes after the shots in order to scuttle Victoria Adams' witnessing...Adams & Styles clattered by on the 2nd Floor staircase landing on their way down and out...Oswald heard that noise and got up from his seat in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and went to the Vestibule door window for that Lunch Room...Oswald was standing there stationary watching the stairs when he saw a police officer emerge on to the staircase landing...He was startled by this and flinched back from the Vestibule window and retreated in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop instincts and he pursued Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Both Baker & Truly saw Oswald's lunch on the table and knew he was in there the whole time - which is why Baker broke off without saying anything and started up the stairs...Baker hems and haws in his Commission testimony on how exactly he saw Oswald because he knows he can't tell this true version because it exonerates Oswald...Proof this is correct is the fact the Warren Commission never asked either Truly or Baker "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time during the assassination?"...This cracking of the conspiracy is desperately kept off The Education Forum...I'm not sure that forum isn't a den of spooks trying to look like researchers...
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