How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
Tom Graves

Author Topic: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?  (Read 28973 times)

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4817
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #184 on: Yesterday at 12:00:15 AM »
Dear Royell,

Those two guys (one of whom is wearing a suit and a "pompadour" hairstyle just like William Shelley, and the other of whom has a receding hairline, a bald spot, and is wearing a plaid / striped shirt like Billy Lovelady) are not "next to" your mythological "Getaway Car."

Twenty seconds after the final shot?

How do you know it wasn't 25, 28, 31 or [fill in the blank] seconds?

The 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" was left in a no parking zone for at least three hours?

Gasp . . . did the evil, evil Deep State bad guys eventually come and tow it away, or did one of their agents forget to hotwire it for that long?

-- Tom

    You continue showing this Forum that you have failed to research the Elm St Extension. It's only a 2 lane road. Very narrow. There's the "getaway" car parked inside a "NO PARKING" zone on one side of the street, and the Corvair across from it on the other side of the street. This places the "2 guys" right alongside the "getaway" car. This is clear on the Couch film still frame. It is also clear on the Couch film Reverse Negative.

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4817
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #185 on: Yesterday at 12:01:16 AM »
Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

    Bump

Online Tom Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3302
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #186 on: Yesterday at 12:22:43 AM »
The Elm Street Extension is a two-lane lane street. The "Getaway Car" is parked in a "No Parking" zone on one side of the street and the two guys are on the other side of the street.

Dear Royell,

Correct.

The two guys (Shelley and Lovelady, or two evil, evil Deep-State agents who look just like them) aren't "next to" the so-called "Abandoned Getaway Car" -- they're across the street from it.

-- Tom
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 12:24:10 AM by Tom Graves »

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4817
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #187 on: Yesterday at 12:34:57 AM »
Dear Royell,

Correct.

The two guys (Shelley and Lovelady, or two evil, evil Deep-State agents who look just like them) aren't "next to" the so-called "Abandoned Getaway Car" -- they're across the street from it.

-- Tom

       "Across the street" from the "getaway" sits the Corvair. That is a very narrow street.  Do your research and look at the Nat Geo snippet showing Officer Harkness's 3 wheel motorcycle double-parked alongside Inspector Sawyer's car. There's simply no room. 

Online Tom Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3302
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #188 on: Yesterday at 12:42:06 AM »
Dear Royell,

When suit and pompadour hairstyle-wearing Shelley and plaid-shirt-wearing Lovelady (with his receding hairline and bald spot) started walking towards the railway yard / parking lot from the TSBD steps (or perhaps from where they had spoken with Gloria Calvery on or near the "island") should they have walked down the sidewalk so as to not get something like a jaywalking ticket?

-- Tom
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 12:51:58 AM by Tom Graves »

Online Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4817
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #189 on: Yesterday at 04:47:30 PM »
Dear Royell,

When suit and pompadour hairstyle-wearing Shelley and plaid-shirt-wearing Lovelady (with his receding hairline and bald spot) started walking towards the railway yard / parking lot from the TSBD steps (or perhaps from where they had spoken with Gloria Calvery on or near the "island") should they have walked down the sidewalk so as to not get something like a jaywalking ticket?

-- Tom

   You see Officer Baker there? Baker's timeline is that he was inside the TSBD 30 seconds after the kill shot. This means what we are seeing on this Couch still frame is happening roughly 20 seconds after the kill shot. 20 seconds is simply Not enough time for Calvery to move down the Elm St sidewalk, talk with Shelley and Lovelady, and then for Shelley and Lovelady to begin walking down the Elm St Extension. Now, if you wanna change the 62+ yr old time stamping of DPD Officer Baker, I would be interested in hearing that. Of course, having Officer Baker enter the TSBD at a  later point in time, also then changes when Baker confronts Oswald inside the TSBD 2nd floor lunchroom too. And, the Later that you put Baker on the stairwell inside the TSBD, the better the chance that Sandra Styles & Vicki Adams had completed coming down that same stairwell ahead of Baker even reaching it. This would then bolster the Adams/Styles claim claim of Not hearing Oswald coming down that same stairwell from the 6th floor sniper's nest.

Online Tom Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3302
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #190 on: Today at 12:24:50 AM »
You see Officer Baker there? Baker's timeline is that he was inside the TSBD 30 seconds after the kill shot. This means what we are seeing on this Couch still frame is happening roughly 20 seconds after the kill shot. 20 seconds is simply Not enough time for Calvery to move down the Elm St sidewalk, talk with Shelley and Lovelady, and then for Shelley and Lovelady to begin walking down the Elm St Extension. Now, if you wanna change the 62+ yr old time stamping of DPD Officer Baker, I would be interested in hearing that. Of course, having Officer Baker enter the TSBD at a later point in time, also then changes when Baker confronts Oswald inside the TSBD 2nd floor lunchroom too. And, the Later that you put Baker on the stairwell inside the TSBD, the better the chance that Sandra Styles & Vicki Adams had completed coming down that same stairwell ahead of Baker even reaching it. This would then bolster the Adams/Styles claim claim of Not hearing Oswald coming down that same stairwell from the 6th floor sniper's nest.

Dear Royell,

If Calvery (who was standing to the left of John Templin in the Zapruder film) ran, how many seconds do you think it took her to reach "the island"?

-- Tom

Online Tom Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3302
Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #191 on: Today at 12:42:20 AM »
Dear Royell,

Perhaps you missed it:

1) If long-legged Gloria Calvery (who was standing to the immediate left of John Templin in the Zapruder film and who had just seen JFK's head get blown off) ran, how many seconds do you think it took her to reach "the island"?

2) Didn't Officer Baker listen to his radio and look down towards the Triple Underpass before he started running towards the TSBD steps?

3) Mark Tyler has Officer Baker running in front of your "Abandoned Getaway Car" about 27 seconds after the final shot, more than enough time for Calvery to tell Shelley and/or Lovelady that JFK had been shot and more than enough time for Shelley and Lovelady to get as far down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot as we see them in Couch-Darnell.

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg

-- Tom

« Last Edit: Today at 02:22:46 AM by Tom Graves »