How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Dan O'meara]

    My only reservation is the Neck. If I was asked to describe Lovelady, I would lead off with his being somewhat on the "burly" side. This pictured guy has a skinny neck. And that skinny neck in relation to the pointed chin also does not remind me of Lovelady.

It is not possible to make an identification of either man based solely on this image.
This is, by far, the highest quality image we have from the Couch footage and it reveals there is no checkered pattern on the shirt and no bald spot. These are the two factors people have been using to make the Lovelady identification and they are not present.

It appears Tommy the Troll's suggestion - that Kamp faked his Lovelady image - might have something to it.
So many people have been suckered in by that image even though it is humanly impossible for it to be Lovelady and Shelley walking along along the Elm St ext. in the time this image was taken, if you accept their WC testimonies. The only way Nutters like Mr Frodo and old man Payette can uphold this seriously flawed identification is by acknowledging that Shelley and Lovelady lied through their teeth during their WC testimonies.
Both of these Nutters have tied themselves up in knots trying to make it work and have come out looking like fools.

The old man has argued that Shelley and Lovelady met Gloria on the steps before they were pictured in Darnell AND HAS SIMULTANEOUSLY ARGUED that Shelley and Lovelady left the steps before Gloria got there!!
And Pinko has fabricated a scenario where Lovelady and Shelley immediately race from the steps and meet Gloria on the "little, old island".

Talk about prisoners of rational thought 

[Tom Graves]

It appears that Kamp faked his Lovelady image.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Gee, I wonder what kind of paintbrush Bart used to create that bald spot on "Lovelady's" head and those stripes in his shirt?

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

What's your best guess, danny BOY?

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

It is not possible to make an identification of either man based solely on this image.
This is, by far, the highest quality image we have from the Couch footage and it reveals there is no checkered pattern on the shirt and no bald spot. These are the two factors people have been using to make the Lovelady identification and they are not present.

It appears Tommy the Troll's suggestion - that Kamp faked his Lovelady image - might have something to it.
So many people have been suckered in by that image even though it is humanly impossible for it to be Lovelady and Shelley walking along along the Elm St ext. in the time this image was taken, if you accept their WC testimonies. The only way Nutters like Mr Frodo and old man Payette can uphold this seriously flawed identification is by acknowledging that Shelley and Lovelady lied through their teeth during their WC testimonies.
Both of these Nutters have tied themselves up in knots trying to make it work and have come out looking like fools.

The old man has argued that Shelley and Lovelady met Gloria on the steps before they were pictured in Darnell AND HAS SIMULTANEOUSLY ARGUED that Shelley and Lovelady left the steps before Gloria got there!!
And Pinko has fabricated a scenario where Lovelady and Shelley immediately race from the steps and meet Gloria on the "little, old island".

Talk about prisoners of rational thought 

  There also was the claim that Calvery ran up to DPD Officer Smith and told him about shots being fired through the bushes BEFORE veering over to then yammer at Lovelady and Shelley.
  Getting back to Lovelady and Shelley going down the Elm St Ext, I do believe the Couch Film is more likely than not supplying evidence of this being Lovelady/Shelley. If I was on a jury, I wouldn't convict Lovelady and Shelley using this Couch Film to ID them. But I do find it difficult to believe that: (1) Immediately after the Kill Shot, (2) 2 random guys that just happen to resemble Lovelady and Shelley, (3) Decided to meander down the Elm St Ext. That's just too big a stretch for me to buy into.

[Lance Payette]

I have asked Bart Kamp if he would care to comment on Dan's claim of fakery. If he would, I'll pass it along. When riffraff CTers like Dan start accusing CT luminaries like Bart of fakery, we have reached some sort of nadir of lunacy.

I did not get this from Bart, but I independently learned that the enhancement was done in 2011 by renowned photo researcher Gerda Dunckel, whom I'm guessing probably didn't fake it. I believe she may have started a thread here on the subject that can no longer be retrieved. I know nothing about Gerda, but 95% of the references to her use the term "renowned."

Since Dan is once again in the process of making a fool of himself, perhaps someone would like to call him "renowned" and make him feel better? You don't have to be nasty and say what he's renowned for.

[Dan O'meara]

I have asked Bart Kamp if he would care to comment on Dan's claim of fakery. If he would, I'll pass it along. When riffraff CTers like Dan start accusing CT luminaries like Bart of fakery, we have reached some sort of nadir of lunacy.

I did not get this from Bart, but I independently learned that the enhancement was done in 2011 by renowned photo researcher Gerda Dunckel, whom I'm guessing probably didn't fake it. I believe she may have started a thread here on the subject that can no longer be retrieved. I know nothing about Gerda, but 95% of the references to her use the term "renowned."

Since Dan is once again in the process of making a fool of himself, perhaps someone would like to call him "renowned" and make him feel better? You don't have to be nasty and say what he's renowned for.

Once again, you're talking utter nonsense.
The image you posted is NOT a Gerda Dunkel image.
You have been corrected on this issue THREE TIMES now.

According to Kamp - "Terry Martin visits the National Archives in Washington for me and finds a huge Couch film print in Richard E Sprague’s collection."
This is a copy of the Sprague print at the Prayer Man website:



Look at this image.
Look at how unbelievably poor it is.
It's washed out and lacks all fine detail - except for Lovelady's shirt!
In contrast, look at this far superior Couch image from "4 Days in November":



Compare it to the Sprague image.
Look at how more superior this image is. Look at how much more detail is in this image.
Yet there is no hint whatsoever of the checkered pattern in this image or the 'bald spot'.



I wish I knew more about image enhancement because I can't figure out how this far superior image shows none of the fine detail we see in the shirt in the inferior Sprague image.
How can this be?
How does that work?
Any idea's old-timer?
And, by the way, how are you getting along with your timeline?

[Lance Payette]

I will let Bart answer if he chooses to do so. At least two sources credit the image to Gerda Dunckel. The image I posted here is NOT from the Prayer Man site, and the site where I did find it credits it to Dunckel. Indeed, it is not from Greg Parker's old site either, but that site credited Gerda and linked to an old thread here. Perhaps someone further enhanced an image Gerda had previously enhanced. I know that she was "renowned" for having identified Lovelady and Shelley in the Couch film. I really don't care. You are simply a CT blathering blowhard who must resort to claims of "fakery" - even by CTers far more respected than you can ever hope to be - in order to preserve your nutcase arguments. You have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS to be accusing anyone of fakery. Claims of fakery are the last refuge of CT nutcases, as we see again and again.

From a 2012 thread at Greg Parker's old site: "Thanks to some superb film work by researcher Gerda Dunckel (Couch film/Lovelady and Shelley?), we now know that S & L left the front steps several seconds before Baker even arrived there. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,6724.24.html."

Even more: Bart then posted the images seen at the Prayer Man site on the same thread on Greg's forum in 2016, calling them (as at PM) an "R*KC scan." He said, "I applied various ways of sharpening to the inserts." Hence, the PM enhancements are by Bart. The issue of fakery was not raised because, presumably, Dan was not yet born in 2016 or at least his mommy wouldn't let him play with the laptop.

Whatever.

[Dan O'meara]

I will let Bart answer if he chooses to do so. At least two sources credit the image to Gerda Dunckel. The image I posted here is NOT from the Prayer Man site, and the site where I did find it credits it to Dunckel. Indeed, it is not from Greg Parker's old site either, but that site credited Gerda and linked to an old thread here. Perhaps someone further enhanced an image Gerda had previously enhanced. I know that she was "renowned" for having identified Lovelady and Shelley in the Couch film. I really don't care. You are simply a CT blathering blowhard who must resort to claims of "fakery" - even by CTers far more respected than you can ever hope to be - in order to preserve your nutcase arguments. You have ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS to be accusing anyone of fakery. Claims of fakery are the last refuge of CT nutcases, as we see again and again.

From a 2012 thread at Greg Parker's old site: "Thanks to some superb film work by researcher Gerda Dunckel (Couch film/Lovelady and Shelley?), we now know that S & L left the front steps several seconds before Baker even arrived there. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,6724.24.html."

Even more: Bart then posted the images seen at the Prayer Man site on the same thread on Greg's forum in 2016, calling them (as at PM) an "R*KC scan." He said, "I applied various ways of sharpening to the inserts." Hence, the PM enhancements are by Bart. The issue of fakery was not raised because, presumably, Dan was not yet born in 2016 or at least his mommy wouldn't let him play with the laptop.

Whatever.

You're just a dithering old fool who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Firstly, I haven't accused anyone of faking anything. You are to stop peddling this lie IMMEDIATELY.
Secondly, for the FOURTH time - the image Kamp 'sharpened' to create the image of 'Lovelady' (that you beleive is "conclusive") comes from the Sprague print. It does not come from Gerda, R*KC scans or anywhere else.
The image Kamp used does not come from any extant version of the Couch footage I can find or any scan of it.
It is a single print that I would very much like to see the original of.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, as you've ably demonstrated time and time again.
Cite where you got the image from you claim is from Gerda Dunkel.
And don't forget about the timeline you're supposed to be working on. Do you think you're just going to slither out of that?
It's time you started backing your claims up.
Explain to the forum how Shelley and Lovelady could be filmed by Couch walking along the extension 25 seconds after the assassination.
Remember, you've already accepted that Shelley and Lovelady were on the front steps when Gloria ran up to them.