Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Actually, it's not. It's Gerda Dunckel. but it is definitive. Other than that, I decline to be sucked into this, er, "discussion."

Wrong again.
And of course you decline.
You've looked at the case I've put forward in Reply#200 and decided to flee. If there was the slightest weakness in my arguments you would be all over it. It's an intensely cowardly way to approach the arguments.
In front of the forum, you're being ask to outline a potential timeline that explains how Shelley and Lovelady could interact with Gloria, visit the island and then be seen on the extension within 25 - 30 seconds.
It's the simplest thing.
Then you can be on your way.
You have described this identification as "definitive". You need to back this claim up otherwise people might start to get the impression you're just some deluded old man who believes his opinion is fact.

[Tom Graves]

Have [sic] noticed something [sic; anything] about the man you think is Campbell in Weigman [sic; Wiegman] that is different from the Find-a-Grave image?

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

No, but even your "The-Warren-Commission-Was-A-Sham" mentor, John Iacoletti, unwittingly admitted that the gal standing on the north side of Elm Street behind the Secret Service follow-up car in Betzner-3 was wearing big, black-framed glasses. Funny thing is, he stopped referring to her as "Glasses Woman" when he realized that Gloria Calvery (whom he didn't want standing there) always wore big, thick, black-framed glasses!  LOL!

Regardless, is my "Ochus V. Campbell" in Wiegman wearing big, thick, easy-to-see black-framed glasses in that fuzzy clip, or is he wearing his smaller, harder-to-see ones?

Gasp . . . is that a faint horizontal line going from his eye towards his ear?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192066941/ochus-virgil-campbell

PS Note Fedora-wearing Roy Truly behind him.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/ochus-virgil-campbell/

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

No, but even your "The-Warren-Commission-Was-A-Sham" mentor, John Iacoletti, unwittingly admitted that the gal standing on the north side of Elm Street behind the Secret Service follow-up car in Betzner-3 was wearing big, black-framed glasses. Funny thing is, he stopped referring to her as "Glasses Woman" when he realized that Gloria Calvery (whom he didn't want standing there) always wore big, thick, black-framed glasses!  LOL!

Regardless, is my "Ochus V. Campbell" in Wiegman wearing big, thick, easy-to-see black-framed glasses in that fuzzy clip, or is he wearing his smaller, harder-to-see ones?

Gasp . . . is that a faint horizontal line going from his eye towards his ear?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192066941/ochus-virgil-campbell

PS Note Fedora-wearing Roy Truly behind him.

-- Tom

Regardless, is my "Ochus V. Campbell" in Wiegman wearing big, thick, easy-to-see black-framed glasses in that fuzzy clip, or is he wearing his smaller, harder-to-see ones?

"his smaller, harder-to-see ones" 

You funny, lil' thomas 

Gasp . . . is that a faint horizontal line going from his eye towards his ear?

 
No, it's not.
YOUR Ochus isn't wearing any kind of glasses.
Maybe you'd like to post the image showing he is 

Regardless, on the day Ochus was wearing his big, thick easy-to-see glasses.

[Tom Graves]

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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Do us a favor and find (5' 9" in 1940 when he was 32 years old) Campbell in the Wiegman film or in any other film or photo that was taken during the motorcade right before or right after the shots rang out.

Just remember that Jeraldean Reid (Mrs. R. A. Reid) said she left the steps and was standing near Truly and Campbell on Elm Street Extension in front of the TSBD entrance when the limo was coming by the TSBD.

Thanks!

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Do us a favor and find (5' 9" in 1940) Campbell in the Wiegman film or in any other film or photo that was taken during the motorcade.

Just remember that Jeraldean Reid (Mrs. R. A. Reid) said she left the steps and was standing near Truly and Campbell on Elm Street Extension in front of the TSBD entrance when the limo was coming by the TSBD.

Thanks!

-- Tom

 

You don't seem so sure about YOUR Ochus anymore, lil' thomas.
He's not wearing glasses, so that's not great. Is he stood in front of the TSBD entrance or is the angle of the Weigman image confusing?
Sometimes these things are hard to see.
One thing is for sure - not only is your Ochus not wearing his big, thick, easy-to-see glasses, he's also not wearing his hat 

[Tom Graves]

He's not wearing glasses, so that's not great. Is he stood [sic] in front of the TSBD entrance, or is the angle of the Weigman image confusing?
Sometimes these things are hard to see.
One thing is for sure - not only is your Ochus not wearing his big, thick, easy-to-see glasses, he's also not wearing his hat.

At 5' 9", maybe glasses-and-hat-wearing Ochus got lost in the crowd, photographically speaking, standing out there on Elm Street Extension in front of the entrance.

What's important for our purposes, though, is the fact that your "Shelley" in Couch-Darnell has a receding hairline, but real-deal Shelley didn't.

Making any progress on finding out how Bart Kamp (with an "a") created Lovelady's bald spot and "checkered" / "plaid" shirt in Couch?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

At 5' 9", maybe glasses-and-hat-wearing Ochus got lost in the crowd, photographically speaking, standing out there on Elm Street Extension in front of the entrance.

What's important for our purposes, though, is the fact that your "Shelley" in Couch-Darnell has a receding hairline, but real-deal Shelley didn't.

 
Abandoning your identification, are you?
What a shock.
After trolling for dozens of posts with your new 'discovery' you're just going to give it up with a whimper?
Do some research and you won't make such a fool of yourself.
just as you're doing with your claims about receding hairlines and bald spots.

Making any progress on finding out how Bart Kamp (with an "a") created Lovelady's bald spot and "checkered" / "plaid" shirt in Couch?

-- lil' thomas

Let's see what Gollum makes of the above image.
The middle one (Sprague) is the image Kamp created. The two either side are the clearest images I can come across independent of Kamp.
The Royell image is, by far, the clearest image. Far more clear than the Sprague image.
No checkered pattern.
No bald spot.
Oh dear, Precious.

Maybe the resident troll can throw some light on this - how can the inferior Sprague image show much more detail than the superior Royell image, but only on Lovelady's shirt?,
How can Kamp manipulate an image in such a way that information which wasn't in the original image is brought forward?

PS: What do you think of your bald spot now?

[Lance Payette]

    Wrong! You're making the same mistake the WC Attorney made. Lovelady made it clear to the WC attorney that he was NOT talking about entering the Houston St dock. He made it clear that there were 2 docks and that he and Shelley entered the dock at the end of the Elm St Ext. Which is very close to the 1st set of railroad tracks that he and Shelley stopped at. This dock makes for a very quick entrance into the TSBD. Also, we can see Officer Baker running toward the TSBD as those 2 guys move down the Elm Ext on the Couch Film. This further discredits the Lovelady/Shelley 3+ minutes timeline. That, or the current timeline of the Couch Film is incorrect, and the Darnell Film timeline would also be incorrect.

Having now re-reviewed the testimony, I am pretty impressed with my months-old recollection. I understood where Shelley and Lovelady reentered the TSBD – on the west side – but was conflating Adams’ testimony that she encountered them on her way out to the Houston Street dock. Set forth below are the relevant portions of their testimonies, together with a diagram of the first floor from John Armstrong’s site.

This is a really, really excellent piece called “Inside the Book Depository.” Chapter IX, “The Stairway,” begins at 46:00 and goes completely through the Shelley-Lovelady-Adams-Styles-Garner mystery in very clear detail: https://www.lemmi.no/p/the-kennedy-assassination-inside-the-book-depository.

I had forgotten that Adams herself suggested that her encounter with Shelley and Lovelady had been falsely inserted into her WC testimony. How does that factor into the mysterious “ramifications,” those of us trapped in the prison of rational thought are inclined to wonder?

Anyway, thus endeth my interest in this topic – whatever this topic actually is. Even though I still run half-marathons, my aged heart simply cannot take this level of excitement.



Mr. SHELLEY. We walked on down to the first railroad track there on the
dead-end street and stood there and watched them searching cars down there
in the parking lots for a little while and then we came in through our parking
lot at the west end.
Mr. BALL. At the west end?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; and then in the side door into the shipping room.
Mr. BILL. When you came into the shipping room did you see anybody?
Mr. SHELLEY. I saw Eddie Piper.

Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY. Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr.
Truly, and Mr. Shel1ey park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL. And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes, sir; sure did.
…

Mr. BALL. Did you go in through the docks, the wide open door or did you
go in the ordinary small door?
Mr. LOVELADY. You know where we park our trucks-that door; we have
a little door.
Mr. BALL. That is where you went in, that little door?
Mr. LOVELADY. That’s right.
Mr. BALL. That would be the north end of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. That would be the west end, wouldn’t it?
Mr. BALL. Is it the one right off Houston Street?
Mr. LOVELADY. No ; you are thinking about another dock.
Mr. BALL. I am?
Mr. LOVELADY. Yes; we have two.
Mr. BALL. Do you have a dock on the west side and one on the north side
of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. East, and well, it would be east and west but you enter it
from the south side.
Mr. BALL. Now, the south side---
Mr. LOVELADY. Elm Street is that little dead-end street.
Mr. BALL. That’s south.
Mr. LOVELADY. I drive my truck here (indicating) but we came in from this
direction; that would have to be west.
Mr. BALL. You came into the building from the west side?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go into the building?
Mr. LOVELADY. Through that, those raised-up doors.
Mr. BALL. Through the raised-up doors?
Mr. LOVELADY. Through that double door that we in the morning when we
get there we raised. There’s a fire door and they have two wooden doors
between it.
Mr. BALL. You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY. Right.


Miss ADAMS: And after the third shot, following that, the third shot, I went to the back
of the building down the back stairs, and encountered Bill Shelley and Bill
Lovelady on the first floor on the way out to the Houston Street dock.
Mr. BELIN. When you say on the way out to the Houston Street dock, you
mean now you were on the way out?
Miss ADAMS. While I was on the way out.
…

Mr. BELIN. Where did you see them on the first floor?
Miss ADAMS. Well, this is the stairs, and this is the Houston Street dock
that I went out. They were approximately in this position here, so I don’t know
how you would describe that.
Mr. BEI.IN. You are looking now at a first floor plan or diagram of the Texas
School Book Depository, and you have pointed to a position where you encountered Bill Lovelady and Mr. Bill Shelley?
Miss ADAMS. That’s correct.
Mr. BELIN. It would be slightly east of the front of the east elevator, and
probably as far south as the length of the elevator, is that correct?
Miss ADAMS. Yes, sir.