Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Lovelady and Shelley did not say in their early affidavits that they entered the TSBD front door about 30 seconds after the final shot.

Adams and Styles not seeing Oswald on the stairs does not mean that he couldn't have been up on the sixth floor during the assassination.

Just to clarify, Tim, I've not said anything about their affidavits mentioning 30 seconds.
You are responding to Tom who is giving a false account of the arguments I am presenting. Tom has a very loose grip of the facts concerning this case and is more interested in trolling than anything else.

BTW, I agree about Adams and Styles not being able to tell if Oswald were on the back stairs or not.
I've never understood this point.
The stairs were an enclosed L-shape with heavy doors top and bottom. Two women rattling down creaky wooden stairs in an enclosed space wouldn't have been aware of Oswald directly behind them, let alone on another floor.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How did your "Shelley" get such a receding hairline?

Is there any chance you could give the trolling a rest for a while, thomas.
You have been reduced to arguing that a blurry, grainy image shows a receding hairline (which it doesn't even show). Could you be any more desperate?
You're a sad troll.
You have noting to contribute.

[Tom Graves]

Just to clarify, Tim, I've not said anything about their affidavits mentioning 30 seconds.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Oh.

My bad.

Question:

How soon after the final shot do you want them to enter the TSBD front door in order for your CT to work?

You do want them back by the elevators in time for Adams and Baker to see them there, don't you?

-- Tom

[Tom Graves]

Thomas asked: How did your "Shelley" get such a receding hairline?

You have been reduced to arguing that a blurry, grainy image shows a receding hairline (which it doesn't even show). Could you be any more desperate?

In other words, childish danny BOY o'meara is stumped.

[Tim Nickerson]

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady.

What is this belief based on?

It's based on the fact that Lovelady is seen in Couch walking westward.

The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady.

Errr...no offence, Tim, but that has a sightly Tinfoil whiff about it.
What are you basing this claim on?

I'm basing it on what is seen in the Darnell frames when zooming in. That image looks like it has been overly enhanced.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Darnell%20Gallery

However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady?

Ironically, all this is your fault.
You posted Vicki Adams' lost interview.
In it we hear Vicki, in her own words, confirming she saw Lovelady and Shelley. More importantly, she confirms that she made some trivial corrections to the transcript of her WC testimony. One of these typos is on the same page as the claim she made about seeing Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor meaning that she was aware of this claim in her WC testimony and didn't have a problem with it.
Up to that point I had accepted the claim that the evil, evil WC Sham had inserted the Shelley/Lovelady claim into her testimony.
The lost interview proved this was not the case.
So, I did something not many researchers had thought to do - I took Vicki's testimony at face value and accepted that she did, indeed, race downstairs within seconds of the shots being fired and interacted with Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor of the TSBD building approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.

This had a few ramifications of its own:

1] The Tom Dillard pic, taken between 10 - 15 seconds after the shots and showing an empty window where Vicki and her colleagues were supposed to be, now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced off as the limo reached the underpass, followed closely by Dorothy Garner.

2] The Stroud document now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced down and out of the building before Truly and Baker reached the area near the elevators. That's the only way Vicki/Sandra could have made it down the back stairs before Truly/Baker ascended the same stairs, without either party being aware of the other.

3] The two white men in the area near the first floor elevators reported by Baker could now be identified as Shelley and Lovelady.

4] Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Rather than Shelley/Lovelady discrediting Vicki's account, it's the other way round.



After the shots Shelley ran across the Elm St Ext and bumped into an hysterical Gloria coming the other way, "hollering" about the President being shot. After telling officer Joe Smith about the shooting, Gloria (accompanied by Karan Hicks) made her way to the front steps where she told Lovelady and others about the shooting. Shelley followed behind as he returned to the steps. The Darnell footage shows the moment Gloria has just arrived at the steps and is telling Lovelady about the shooting. Shelley is walking with his back to the camera, returning from across the street, and turns to his left as he reaches the bottom of the steps in time to see Baker rushing towards him.
If there was further footage taken of this area we would see Baker, followed by Lovelady and Shelley, ascend the front steps and enter the building. Truly would be close behind.
Shelley and Lovelady made their way immediately toward the back of the first floor where Vicki called out to them as she rushed to the loading dock door. Seconds later Truly and Baker, who had been talking in the lobby, arrived in the same area.

Identifying Lovelady in Darnell is part of the proof that he and Shelley lied about their movements after the assassination.
In their WC testimonies both men testified that they were on the steps when Gloria came running up.
That it was at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived.
That after leaving the steps they turned and saw Baker and Truly about to enter the building at least 3 minutes after the assassination.
The Darnell footage demonstrates, beyond any doubt, that these are all falsehoods. This is confirmed by the Truly/Baker time trials.
It is also confirmed by the account of Vicki Adams, who saw these men near the elevators on the first floor, approximately 60 seconds after the assassination.

I don't see how any of those are ramifications. What are they ramifications of? You have Lovelady, Shelley, and Victoria Adams all lying, but what is the big point that you're trying to make? Or do you even have one?

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Oh.

My bad.

Question:

How soon after the final shot do you want them to enter the TSBD front door in order for your CT to work?

You do want them back by the elevators in time for Adams and Baker to see them there, don't you?

-- Tom

You descended into lies and misrepresentation quite some time ago, little thomas.
You're a sad little troll who has nothing to contribute.
You've been made to look a real fool in front of the forum and now want to stifle any kind of discussion.
All you've got left is the utterly pathetic insistence that you can see a receding hairline in the image below, as if that has any significance, as if that makes up for how completely your half-baked arguments have been crushed.



You're an embarrassment.
Run along.

[Tim Nickerson]

Just to clarify, Tim, I've not said anything about their affidavits mentioning 30 seconds.
You are responding to Tom who is giving a false account of the arguments I am presenting. Tom has a very loose grip of the facts concerning this case and is more interested in trolling than anything else.

BTW, I agree about Adams and Styles not being able to tell if Oswald were on the back stairs or not.
I've never understood this point.
The stairs were an enclosed L-shape with heavy doors top and bottom. Two women rattling down creaky wooden stairs in an enclosed space wouldn't have been aware of Oswald directly behind them, let alone on another floor.

Yeah, there really are no ramifications for Lovelady in Darnell. Barry Ernest seem to have tried to close a loophole in his narrative that would have allowed Oswald to slip through. He changed Dorothy Garner's telling of "not seeing the girls enter the stairwell" to "her seeing them enter the stairwell".

[Dan O'meara]

It's based on the fact that Lovelady is seen in Couch walking westward.

Oh brother, another 'it looks like Lovelady to me' loser.
The "fact"...
What evidence are you basing this identification on other than your OPINION that it looks like Lovelady on the extension?

I'm basing it on what is seen in the Darnell frames when zooming in. That image looks like it has been overly enhanced.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Darnell%20Gallery

As I suspected, utter nonsense.
"overly enhanced"...

I don't see how any of those are ramifications. What are they ramifications of? You have Lovelady, Shelley, and Victoria Adams all lying, but what is the big point that you're trying to make? Or do you even have one?

It's not my problem that you don't understand what the word 'ramifications' means.
Learn English...what can I say.
I have Vicki Adams lying??
WTF?
What a waste of time your post is.
Really...what was the point of it?