Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

You descended into lies and misrepresentation quite some time ago, little thomas.
You're a sad little troll who has nothing to contribute.
You've been made to look a real fool in front of the forum and now want to stifle any kind of discussion.
All you've got left is the utterly pathetic insistence that you can see a receding hairline in the image below, as if that has any significance, as if that makes up for how completely your half-baked arguments have been crushed.



You're an embarrassment.
Run along.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Why did you enlarge it so much that it's impossible to tell if it's even a human being?

Reasonable people probably already suspect that you're a charlatan.

Why confirm their suspicion?

A reasonable enlargement would prove you wrong, but at least it wouldn't expose you as a shyster.

https://media.invisioncic.com/r16296/monthly_2017_02/Darnellstabilized2.gif.24644887b631910787b2f94850be49e5.gif

It's amazing how much his hairline looks like Ochus V. Campbell's (who was watching the motorcade with his colleague, Roy Truly, who himself can be seen in the Darnell clip watching Baker run past him towards the steps), wouldn't you say?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192066941/ochus-virgil-campbell

-- Tom

PS It's telling that you claim that the Darnell clip is too "fuzzy" to see Campbell's receding hairline, but not so "fuzzy" as to be unable to discern Lovelady on the steps.

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Why did you enlarge it so much that it's impossible to tell if it's even a human being?

Reasonable people must already suspect that you're a charlatan.

Why confirm their suspicion?

A reasonable enlargement would prove you wrong, but at least it wouldn't expose you as a shyster.

https://media.invisioncic.com/r16296/monthly_2017_02/Darnellstabilized2.gif.24644887b631910787b2f94850be49e5.gif

It's amazing how much his hairline looks like Ochus V. Campbell's (who was watching the motorcade with his colleague, Roy Truly, who himself can be seen in the Darnell clip watching Baker run past him towards the steps), wouldn't you say?

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192066941/ochus-virgil-campbell

-- Tom

Little thomas, you are so sad it's unreal.

[Tom Graves]

Little thomas, you are so sad it's unreal.

Dear danny "I am Stumped" o'meara,

That all you got?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear danny "I am Stumped" o'meara,

That all you got?

-- Tom

What else is there to say about you?
You're a sad little troll.
Nothing more.

[Tom Graves]

What else is there to say about you?
You're a sad little troll.
Nothing more.

What a paranoiac little loser you are.

[Tim Nickerson]

Oh brother, another 'it looks like Lovelady to me' loser.
The "fact"...
What evidence are you basing this identification on other than your OPINION that it looks like Lovelady on the extension?

It is widely accepted that it is Lovelady in Couch.

As I suspected, utter nonsense.
"overly enhanced"...

It is overly enhanced.

I have Vicki Adams lying??
WTF?

The Warren Commission did not alter Vicki's testimony.
Vicki altered her version of events for Barry Ernest.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4552.msg169767.html#msg169767

[Dan O'meara]

What a paranoiac little loser you are.

This thread is a written record of what a genuine loser you are.
That you are nothing more than a sad little troll.
I am more than happy to look back on the mass of evidence I've presented here, and the arguments emanating from that evidence.
Your contribution has been 'it looks like Lovelady to me' and 'it looks like Ochus Campbell to me'.
Could you be any more of a loser?

[Dan O'meara]

It is widely accepted that it is Lovelady in Couch.

So, it's just something you accept because you believe it's "widely accepted"
You're unaware of how the testimonial evidence relates to the identification?

It is overly enhanced.

I'm not sure repeating the phrase makes it real.
It seems like something you've just made up.
Is the photo you accept as showing Lovelady on Elm "overly enhanced"?

The Warren Commission did not alter Vicki's testimony.
Vicki altered her version of events for Barry Ernest.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4552.msg169767.html#msg169767

Yeah, Tim, the post you were supposed to be responding to had nothing to do with Vicki changing the detail about Shelley and Lovelady to Barry Ernest.
It was about accepting the fact that she was telling the truth when she originally testified and the RAMIFICATIONS of taking her WC testimony at face value.
Here it is again (look up the meaning of 'ramifications' before reading)

Ironically, all this is your fault.
You posted Vicki Adams' lost interview.
In it we hear Vicki, in her own words, confirming she saw Lovelady and Shelley. More importantly, she confirms that she made some trivial corrections to the transcript of her WC testimony. One of these typos is on the same page as the claim she made about seeing Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor meaning that she was aware of this claim in her WC testimony and didn't have a problem with it.
Up to that point I had accepted the claim that the evil, evil WC Sham had inserted the Shelley/Lovelady claim into her testimony.
The lost interview proved this was not the case.
So, I did something not many researchers had thought to do - I took Vicki's testimony at face value and accepted that she did, indeed, race downstairs within seconds of the shots being fired and interacted with Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor of the TSBD building approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.

This had a few ramifications of its own:

1] The Tom Dillard pic, taken between 10 - 15 seconds after the shots and showing an empty window where Vicki and her colleagues were supposed to be, now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced off as the limo reached the underpass, followed closely by Dorothy Garner.

2] The Stroud document now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced down and out of the building before Truly and Baker reached the area near the elevators. That's the only way Vicki/Sandra could have made it down the back stairs before Truly/Baker ascended the same stairs, without either party being aware of the other.

3] The two white men in the area near the first floor elevators reported by Baker could now be identified as Shelley and Lovelady.

4] Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Rather than Shelley/Lovelady discrediting Vicki's account, it's the other way round.



After the shots Shelley ran across the Elm St Ext and bumped into an hysterical Gloria coming the other way, "hollering" about the President being shot. After telling officer Joe Smith about the shooting, Gloria (accompanied by Karan Hicks) made her way to the front steps where she told Lovelady and others about the shooting. Shelley followed behind as he returned to the steps. The Darnell footage shows the moment Gloria has just arrived at the steps and is telling Lovelady about the shooting. Shelley is walking with his back to the camera, returning from across the street, and turns to his left as he reaches the bottom of the steps in time to see Baker rushing towards him.
If there was further footage taken of this area we would see Baker, followed by Lovelady and Shelley, ascend the front steps and enter the building. Truly would be close behind.
Shelley and Lovelady made their way immediately toward the back of the first floor where Vicki called out to them as she rushed to the loading dock door. Seconds later Truly and Baker, who had been talking in the lobby, arrived in the same area.

Identifying Lovelady in Darnell is part of the proof that he and Shelley lied about their movements after the assassination.
In their WC testimonies both men testified that they were on the steps when Gloria came running up.
That it was at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived.
That after leaving the steps they turned and saw Baker and Truly about to enter the building at least 3 minutes after the assassination.
The Darnell footage demonstrates, beyond any doubt, that these are all falsehoods. This is confirmed by the Truly/Baker time trials.
It is also confirmed by the account of Vicki Adams, who saw these men near the elevators on the first floor, approximately 60 seconds after the assassination.