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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #147 on: September 26, 2025, 08:42:03 AM »
Dear danny Boy o'meara,

You've been in the act of "posting" on this thread for about ten hours.

Is this the best you can come up with?

-- Tom

You forgot to put the laughing emojis in my response, Mr Frodo.
Here's what I actually posted:

I will Not carry you Mr Frodo.

 :D :D :D

Why are you being so evasive?
Just answer Royell's question.

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #148 on: September 26, 2025, 09:16:11 AM »
You forgot to put the laughing emojis in my response, Mr Frodo.
Here's what I actually posted:

I will Not carry you Mr Frodo.

 :D :D :D

Why are you being so evasive?
Just answer Royell's question.

Dear danny Boy o'meara,

1) Royell asked an intelligent question???

2) Why does your "pivoting Shelley" have such a receding hairline in Couch-Darnell?

3) Are you the second coming of Miles Scull?

-- Tom
« Last Edit: September 26, 2025, 09:20:51 AM by Tom Graves »

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #149 on: September 26, 2025, 12:05:15 PM »
Dear danny Boy o'meara,

1) Royell asked an intelligent question???

2) Why does your "pivoting Shelley" have such a receding hairline in Couch-Darnell?

3) Are you the second coming of Miles Scull?

-- Tom

Stop being so evasive and cowardly, Mr Frodo, and answer Royell's question  ;D

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #150 on: September 26, 2025, 05:20:54 PM »
Answer Royell's question.

Dear danny o'meara,

What question?

Why I can't see the bad guys in the shadows behind THE HUGE GATES?

Here's a question for you, danny Boy:

How is it that your "Shelley" in Couch-Darnell had a receding hairline just like Ochus V. Campbell's?

-- Tom

PS

Oh, this?

Storing: Do you see the two guys moving right alongside the "island/triangle" [in the Couch clip]?

Me: I can see two guys walking / running down the Elm Street Extension sidewalk towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Storing: Do you see one of these guys is wearing all dark? Probably a dark suit?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you see the other guy is shorter and wearing a light-colored shirt of some kind?

Me: Yes, a bold "checkered" or "plaid" long-sleeved shirt.

Storing: Do you see both of the guys are walking toward the railroad yard?

Me: See above.

Storing: Do you see Officer Smith running in front of these two guys?

Me: Yes. I assume that's Officer Smith.

Storing: Do you see that Officer Smith has reached The Huge Gates?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you know Officer Smith's timeline?

Me: Just (from memory) that during the motorcade he was standing at the intersection of Elm and Houston, and a few seconds after the final shot a crying woman whom he'd either intercepted or who had come running up to him (or both) told him, "they're shooting at the President from the bushes!!!," or words to that effect, so he ran down Elm Street Extension in the direction of the railway yard to see if he could apprehend the suspect(s), and he ended up behind the picket fence where he allegedly saw a man who volunteered his "Secret Service" identification to him, but Smith didn't take a close look at.

Or something like that.

Storing: Personally, I believe the Couch Film "reverse negative" is fairly definitive as to the Lovelady/Shelley timeline.

Me: How is the "reverse negative Couch film" more helpful in that regard that the normal Couch film?

Storing: They were at the "island/triangle" at somewhere around 45+ seconds after the Kill Shot.

Me: You mean the area by the traffic signal pole and traffic signs directly across Elm Street Extension from the TSBD steps? That "island" or "peninsula"? How could that be if they were "captured" about 60 feet west of the steps in Couch-Darnell as they were walking / running towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Storing: Unless of course, you believe these two guys are two other people.

Me: I don't, but danny Boy o'meara sure wants me to. His tinfoil-hat JFKA CT is evidently different from yours. Imagine that!

Storing: That's certainly possible, but far from probable. [emphasis added]

Me: Why do you say that?

Storing: You have viewed the Couch Film "reverse negative," right?

Me: I think so. Couple of times. Depends on what you mean by "reverse negative" -- i.e., "what's 'left' in the normal film is 'right' in the "reverse negative film," and vice-versa," or "what's 'black' in the normal film is 'white' in the "reverse negative film," and vice versa? What the heck do you mean by "reverse negative"? Suffice it to say I watched both of the clips you so graciously sent to me via the Forum's personal messenger thingy. Didn't learn anything I didn't already know from watching the regular Couch film. Should I watch them again? Are they longer than the regular Couch clip?

Storing: If not, you need to get off the dime. It's this kind of lackluster effort that the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers have made their hallmark.

Me: LOL!

Storing: Please do not follow in their footsteps.

Me: Don't worry, I ain't goin' anywhere NEAR them spooky-lookin' HUGE GATES!!!
« Last Edit: September 26, 2025, 08:09:48 PM by Tom Graves »

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #151 on: September 26, 2025, 06:47:36 PM »

    Everybody here is onna journey. We are all at different points in our journey. I don't agree with many of the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers that contribute here, but I do respect their opinions and many times ask them backstage for their opinion(s) on something I am currently researching/examining. Somebody looking at an issue from a different angle can open your eyes to something you have missed or not even thought about. Know your limitations. 

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #152 on: September 26, 2025, 08:10:37 PM »
Everybody here is on a journey. We are all at different points in our journey. I don't agree with many of the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers that contribute here, but I do respect their opinions and many times ask them backstage for their opinion(s) on something I am currently researching/examining. Somebody looking at an issue from a different angle can open your eyes to something you have missed or not even thought about. Know your limitations.

Storing: Do you see the two guys moving right alongside the "island/triangle" [in the Couch clip]?

Me: I can see two guys walking / running down the Elm Street Extension sidewalk towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Storing: Do you see one of these guys is wearing all dark? Probably a dark suit?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you see the other guy is shorter and wearing a light-colored shirt of some kind?

Me: Yes, a bold "checkered" or "plaid" long-sleeved shirt.

Storing: Do you see both of the guys are walking toward the railroad yard?

Me: See above.

Storing: Do you see Officer Smith running in front of these two guys?

Me: Yes. I assume that's Officer Smith.

Storing: Do you see that Officer Smith has reached The Huge Gates?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you know Officer Smith's timeline?

Me: Just (from memory) that during the motorcade he was standing at the intersection of Elm and Houston, and a few seconds after the final shot a crying woman whom he'd either intercepted or who had come running up to him (or both) told him, "they're shooting at the President from the bushes!!!," or words to that effect, so he ran down Elm Street Extension in the direction of the railway yard to see if he could apprehend the suspect(s), and he ended up behind the picket fence where he allegedly saw a man who volunteered his "Secret Service" identification to him, but Smith didn't take a close look at.

Or something like that.

Storing: Personally, I believe the Couch Film "reverse negative" is fairly definitive as to the Lovelady/Shelley timeline.

Me: How is the "reverse negative Couch film" more helpful in that regard that the normal Couch film?

Storing: They were at the "island/triangle" at somewhere around 45+ seconds after the Kill Shot.

Me: You mean the area by the traffic signal pole and traffic signs directly across Elm Street Extension from the TSBD steps? That "island" or "peninsula"? How could that be if they were "captured" about 60 feet west of the steps in Couch-Darnell as they were walking / running towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Storing: Unless of course, you believe these two guys are two other people.

Me: I don't, but danny Boy o'meara sure wants me to. His tinfoil-hat JFKA CT is evidently different from yours. Imagine that!

Storing: That's certainly possible, but far from probable. [emphasis added]

Me: Why do you say that?

Storing: You have viewed the Couch Film "reverse negative," right?

Me: I think so. Couple of times. Depends on what you mean by "reverse negative" -- i.e., "what's 'left' in the normal film is 'right' in the "reverse negative film," and vice-versa," or "what's 'black' in the normal film is 'white' in the "reverse negative film," and vice versa? What the heck do you mean by "reverse negative"? Suffice it to say I watched both of the clips you so graciously sent to me via the Forum's personal messenger thingy. Didn't learn anything I didn't already know from watching the regular Couch film. Should I watch them again? Are they longer than the regular Couch clip?

Storing: If not, you need to get off the dime. It's this kind of lackluster effort that the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers have made their hallmark.

Me: LOL!

Storing: Please do not follow in their footsteps.

Me: Don't worry, I ain't goin' anywhere NEAR them spooky-lookin' HUGE GATES!!!

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Reply #153 on: September 26, 2025, 08:24:57 PM »

Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.



The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady. The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady. However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady? Give it to me here in short form. I don't feel like reading through the thread.