Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

Saw 'em, Pat Speer has them. Pat thinks Westbrook is your woman in white helping "Calvery" up the steps! Shouldn't someone named "Running Woman" be a Native American? I love the dialogues between you and Sandy as you ponder the identity of people like "Gray Skirted, Orange Scarfed Fat Girl in Heels." It is - yes - the proverbial hoot. So now Westbrook is "Jane Berry" in a white scarf and dark coat standing next to the woman in white? I guess you'll have to take that up with Speer. Sorry, I refuse to take this seriously or to follow your and WC Sham Man Dan's dark speculation wherever it supposedly leads. If you think the latest 3D model is close, however, you're pretty far gone.

If you've ever seen the color photos of Calvery and her South-West Publishing Company colleagues (including Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, and Westbrook) that were taken during (must have been somber) Christmas that year, you'll realize that Westbrook was almost as tall as big/tall Calvery, and probably is, therefore, the best candidate for the tall gal mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in the infamous, marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame that Robin Unger posted back-in-the-day (and which has, unfortunately, been misleading JFKA researchers and yahoos like you ever since), thereby meaning that one of Calvery's other colleagues, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed, was "Woman-Dressed-All-In-White" in the Zapruder film and in Couch-Darnell, and, concomitantly (or should I say "conversely"?), that whichever one of those two colleagues wasn't "Dressed-All-In-White Woman" was very likely the bookin'-it towards the TSBD "Running Woman" in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.

[Dan O'meara]

Very good post, Dan. Yes, Lovelady and Shelley, like many other witnesses, changed their stories to conform to the lone-gunman tale.

To be honest, Michael, I don't believe Shelley and Lovelady are changing their stories to conform to the "lone-gunman tale"
AFAIC they are lying to cover up their actual movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

Officer Baker initially said he saw Oswald standing in the second-floor lunchroom. But, realizing that this was impossible if Oswald had been on the sixth floor during the shooting, Baker changed his story and claimed that when he saw Oswald, Oswald just a few feet beyond the foyer door and that the door "may" have been nearly closed, implying that Oswald had gone through the door a few seconds earlier.

But even this doesn't work. When Baker cooked up this revised story, or when it was fed to him, he/they failed to account for the fact that Truly was running well ahead of Baker and had already crossed the second-floor landing and was heading up the stairs to the third floor when Baker said he spotted Oswald just beyond the foyer door.

Obviously, if Oswald had entered that door just a few seconds before Baker saw him, Truly could not have missed seeing Oswald.

As for Baker and the lunchroom encounter.
I suspect Baker was kind of checking each floor as he went up and, when he got to the second floor, he moved over to the door with the window, looked through it and saw Oswald in the process of buying a Coke.

As he states in his WC testimony - "I don’t know how come I saw him"

[Dan O'meara]

[Lance Payette]

Very good post, Dan. Yes, Lovelady and Shelley, like many other witnesses, changed their stories to conform to the lone-gunman tale.

Except: Shelley said he saw Oswald on the first floor by the telephone at 11:50 and that he thought the shots came from the west. Lovelady was even more specific that he thought the shots came from the knoll. He also offered that he had seen Oswald bring his lunch several times and eat in the domino room with other guys. As has been noted with Ruth Paine, both passed up numerous, obvious opportunities to incriminate Oswald and improve the LN narrative. What you say simply makes no sense outside of CT world. Even WC Sham Man Dan disagrees with you - but, alas, his theory ("to cover up their actual movements") makes no sense either. It's all, as always, ad hoc speculation to conform to a preconceived conspiracy theory. In CT world, no one ever gets confused or makes an innocent mistake; even dumbass warehouse workers in the midst of an overwhelming event like the JFKA aren't allowed to be human.

[Tom Graves]

Thanks for posting these blown-up comparisons, Danny Old Boy.

I think the floor they were standing on was sloped, or the camera was tilted or something because I'm pretty sure Calvery was a bit taller than next-tallest Westbrook.

Regardless, Fancy Pants' glomming onto Speer's belief that "All-In-White Woman" was Westbrook doesn't help him in his attempt to disprove that Calvery was on the steps in Couch-Darnell because even if we accept that (i.e., that "All-In-White Woman" was Westbrook), Westbrook-Scranton still forgot that she was standing to the left of Calvery during the motorcade (as we can see in Zapruder), and she therefore blew her narrative (and her creditability) out of the water in 2018 by placing herself to the right of "her".

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Except: Shelley said he saw Oswald on the first floor by the telephone at 11:50 and that he thought the shots came from the west. Lovelady was even more specific that he thought the shots came from the knoll. He also offered that he had seen Oswald bring his lunch several times and eat in the domino room with other guys. As has been noted with Ruth Paine, both passed up numerous, obvious opportunities to incriminate Oswald and improve the LN narrative. What you say simply makes no sense outside of CT world. Even WC Sham Man Dan disagrees with you - but, alas, his theory ("to cover up their actual movements") makes no sense either. It's all, as always, ad hoc speculation to conform to a preconceived conspiracy theory. In CT world, no one ever gets confused or makes an innocent mistake; even dumbass warehouse workers in the midst of an overwhelming event like the JFKA aren't allowed to be human.

 "Shelley said he saw Oswald on the first floor by the telephone at 11:50"

Citation, old-timer.
(isn't it past your bedtime?)
And how do you reconcile your beloved Sham's claim that Givens was the last TSBD employee to see Oswald (near the southeast corner of the 6th floor, no less) when we have Shelley and Piper placing him on the first floor after this?
And why do you think Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements in the aftermath of the assassination, if it wasn't something suspicious? 

[Dan O'meara]

Thanks for posting these blown-up comparisons, Danny Old Boy.

I think the floor they were standing on was sloped, or the camera was tilted or something because I'm pretty sure Calvery was a bit taller than next-tallest Westbrook.

Regardless, Fancy Pants' glomming onto Speer's belief that "All-In-White Woman" was Westbrook doesn't help him in his attempt to disprove that Calvery was on the steps in Couch-Darnell because even if we accept that (i.e., that "All-In-White Woman" was Westbrook), Westbrook-Scranton still forgot that she was standing to the left of Calvery during the motorcade (as we can see in Zapruder), and that she blew her narrative (and her creditability) out of the water in 2018 by putting herself to the right of "her".

-- Tom

This is the original picture which I meant to post.
The picture below was taken in December 1963, a few weeks after the assassination and is of ‘the office girls’ working out of Room 203. It is one of a series of photos donated to the 6th Floor Museum by Karen Westbrook Scranton:
[Color photograph of six women who worked in the Texas School Book Depository – Results – Search Objects – The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza (jfk.org)]




The photo appears with the following description::

“From left to right in this photo: Woman with dark hair whose name is unknown, Gloria Calvery (red hair, with glasses), Carol (last name unknown), another Carol (last name unknown), Karen Hicks in red, and on the far right, Westbrook.”

We know from the CE 1381’s that Westbrook worked with two Carol’s but, in the photo above, which Carol was Carol Hughes and which was Carol Ann Reed. On his website, Pat Speer reveals:
“Karen Westbrook also mentioned Carol Ann Reed... (Researcher Brian Doyle reports that he contacted Reed, and that she identified herself in the Christmas photos put online by Westbrook, and that she is the fourth woman from the left, with the white sleeves…)”