Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

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Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.

The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.

At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

Very good post, Dan. Yes, Lovelady and Shelley, like many other witnesses, changed their stories to conform to the lone-gunman tale.

Officer Baker initially said he saw Oswald standing in the second-floor lunchroom. But, realizing that this was impossible if Oswald had been on the sixth floor during the shooting, Baker changed his story and claimed that when he saw Oswald, Oswald was just a few feet beyond the foyer door and that the door "may" have been nearly closed, implying that Oswald had gone through the door a few seconds earlier.

But even this doesn't work. When Baker cooked up this revised story, or when it was fed to him, he/they failed to account for the fact that Truly was running well ahead of Baker and had already crossed the second-floor landing and was heading up the stairs to the third floor when Baker said he spotted Oswald just beyond the foyer door.

Obviously, if Oswald had entered that door just a few seconds before Baker saw him, Truly could not have missed seeing Oswald.
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« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 10:33:11 PM »
   Thanks for the post above. This is why a Positive ID should never be based on someone's BACK. This is the same kind of knee jerk reaction we saw from the Altgens Photo when Lovelady was mistakenly ID'd as Oswald. Some people never learn. "Measure twice, cut once".
Westbrook also identified herself from the front in Willis 5. In his Chapter 7b, Pat Speer goes through an extensive analysis of the photos. He acknowledges Westbrook's 2017 interview but insists she is simply wrong. However, he insists that the "Woman in White" helping "Calvery" up the TSBD steps is - wait for it! - WESTBROOK! Westbrook in 2017 was so far gone (gee, doesn't seem to be) that she didn't remember she was dressed HEAD TO TOE IN WHITE? I give up - see what you want to see and whatever makes you happy, folks.

BTW, Shelley was pretty clearly taller than 5'-6" and taller than Lovelady - that's the best evidence - and the photos at Prayer Man make clear beyond any reasonable doubt that it is Lovelady and Shelley walking west from the TSBD steps. Mark Tyler's animation, which does not include Shelley because he's irrelevant for Mark's purposes, has Calvery reaching Lovelady at the TSBD steps and entering the building before Lovelady has departed or Baker has arrived; he has Baker arriving and entering the building before Lovelady departs; and Lovelady (and presumably Shelley) then walking west after that.

Note to WC Sham Man Dan: I have read more of Tom's "work" on this issue than you can imagine. I don't insist it's wrong - I do insist the supposed 3D model is - but merely that Westbrook's recollections are flatly contrary, Speer's analysis is different, Tom has been challenged by knowledgeable researchers at almost every twist and turn, and Tom's obsession with this issue has caused me more giggles (it's a hoot!) than anything in recent memory. If your posts were more of a hoot and less in the vein of tedious CTer crap, my life would be complete.
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« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 10:35:59 PM »
   I take the above as your admission that you Mickey Mouse'd Smith's WC Testimony. That ain't cool. The above is why knowing Testimony is important. It gets fudged and in the above case, Omitted!

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.
It's a very simple thing to do, Royell.
You seem to have s very strong opinion about it but I can't make out what it is you actually think.
So, for clarification, explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

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« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 10:42:56 PM »
Westbrook also identified herself from the front in Willis 5. In his Chapter 7b, Pat Speer goes through an extensive analysis of the photos. He acknowledges Westbrook's 2017 interview but insists she is simply wrong. However, he insists that the "Woman in White" helping "Calvery" up the TSBD steps was - wait for it! - WESTBROOK! Westbrook in 2017 was so far gone (gee, doesn't seem to be) that she didn't remember she was dressed HEAD TO TOE IN WHITE? I give up - see what you want to see and whatever makes you happy, folks.

Dear Fancy Pants,

If you've ever seen the color photos of Calvery and her South-West Publishing Company colleagues (including Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, and Westbrook) that were taken during (must have been somber) Christmas that year, you'll realize that Westbrook was almost as tall as big/tall Calvery, and probably is, therefore, the best candidate for the tall gal mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in the infamous, marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame that Robin Unger posted back-in-the-day (and which has, unfortunately, been misleading JFKA researchers and yahoos like you ever since), thereby meaning that one of Calvery's other colleagues, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed, was "Woman-Dressed-All-In-White" in the Zapruder film and in Couch-Darnell, and, concomitantly (or should I say "conversely"?), that whichever one of those two colleagues wasn't "Dressed-All-In-White Woman" was very likely the bookin'-it towards the TSBD "Running Woman" in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.

-- Tom
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Dear Fancy Pants,

If you've ever seen the color photos of Calvery and her South-West Publishing Company colleagues (including Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, and Westbrook) that were taken during (must have been somber) Christmas that year, you'll realize that Westbrook was almost as tall as big/tall Calvery, and probably is, therefore, the best candidate for the gal mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in the infamous, marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame that Robin Unger posted back-in-the-day and which has, unfortunately, been misleading JFKA researchers and yahoos like you ever since, leaving one of Calvery's other colleagues, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed, as "woman-dressed-all-in-white" in Couch-Darnell, and, concomitantly, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed to be the "Running Woman" in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.
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-- Tom
Saw 'em, Pat Speer has them. Pat thinks Westbrook is your woman in white helping "Calvery" up the steps!  :D :D :D Shouldn't someone named "Running Woman" be a Native American?  :D I love the dialogues between you and Sandy as you ponder the identity of people like "Gray Skirted, Orange Scarfed Fat Girl in Heels." It is - yes - the proverbial hoot. So now Westbrook is "Jane Berry" in a white scarf and dark coat standing next to the woman in white? I guess you'll have to take that up with Speer. Sorry, I refuse to take this seriously or to follow your and WC Sham Man Dan's dark speculation wherever it supposedly leads. If you think the latest 3D model is close, however, you're pretty far gone.

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Saw 'em, Pat Speer has them. Pat thinks Westbrook is your woman in white helping "Calvery" up the steps! Shouldn't someone named "Running Woman" be a Native American? I love the dialogues between you and Sandy as you ponder the identity of people like "Gray Skirted, Orange Scarfed Fat Girl in Heels." It is - yes - the proverbial hoot. So now Westbrook is "Jane Berry" in a white scarf and dark coat standing next to the woman in white? I guess you'll have to take that up with Speer. Sorry, I refuse to take this seriously or to follow your and WC Sham Man Dan's dark speculation wherever it supposedly leads. If you think the latest 3D model is close, however, you're pretty far gone.

If you've ever seen the color photos of Calvery and her South-West Publishing Company colleagues (including Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, and Westbrook) that were taken during (must have been somber) Christmas that year, you'll realize that Westbrook was almost as tall as big/tall Calvery, and probably is, therefore, the best candidate for the tall gal mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in the infamous, marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame that Robin Unger posted back-in-the-day (and which has, unfortunately, been misleading JFKA researchers and yahoos like you ever since), thereby meaning that one of Calvery's other colleagues, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed, was "Woman-Dressed-All-In-White" in the Zapruder film and in Couch-Darnell, and, concomitantly (or should I say "conversely"?), that whichever one of those two colleagues wasn't "Dressed-All-In-White Woman" was very likely the bookin'-it towards the TSBD "Running Woman" in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.
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Very good post, Dan. Yes, Lovelady and Shelley, like many other witnesses, changed their stories to conform to the lone-gunman tale.

To be honest, Michael, I don't believe Shelley and Lovelady are changing their stories to conform to the "lone-gunman tale"
AFAIC they are lying to cover up their actual movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.

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Officer Baker initially said he saw Oswald standing in the second-floor lunchroom. But, realizing that this was impossible if Oswald had been on the sixth floor during the shooting, Baker changed his story and claimed that when he saw Oswald, Oswald just a few feet beyond the foyer door and that the door "may" have been nearly closed, implying that Oswald had gone through the door a few seconds earlier.

But even this doesn't work. When Baker cooked up this revised story, or when it was fed to him, he/they failed to account for the fact that Truly was running well ahead of Baker and had already crossed the second-floor landing and was heading up the stairs to the third floor when Baker said he spotted Oswald just beyond the foyer door.

Obviously, if Oswald had entered that door just a few seconds before Baker saw him, Truly could not have missed seeing Oswald.

As for Baker and the lunchroom encounter.
I suspect Baker was kind of checking each floor as he went up and, when he got to the second floor, he moved over to the door with the window, looked through it and saw Oswald in the process of buying a Coke.

As he states in his WC testimony - "I don’t know how come I saw him"

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