Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

Right, what does the woman who was actually there know? If the WC evildoers didn't get to her, the KGB probably did. I make no claims, because I really don't care, but I am inclined to lean toward someone who was actually there and spoke with the level of confidence that Westbrook did. She seemed rather confident that she was wearing the light blue scarf, standing right next to the Stemmons sign with Gloria right next to her, but surely you know best.

I might note that Mark Tyler likewise has Calvary standing with Westbrook and that an astonishingly eclectic mix of CTers and LN advocates contributed to his animation - but what do they know? The KGB probably got to all of them.

One might also note that your three suspects ALL said they were on the SOUTH side of Elm, for which Robin Unger took you to task at the Ed Forum - but what did they know? (Good God, people, if you think Tom is obsessive-compulsive about the KGB Bogeyman, you should review his OCD work on the Calvary Issue over the past 10+ years. I think I'll back off before he blows a fuse. I merely note that Westbrook seems supremely confident - watch the interview, which was 2017 and thus after Tom was already on the Calvary warpath.)

You're blowing more smoke than usual out of your fancy pants, Lance.

Karen Westbrook-Scranton (mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in your beloved marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame), wearing a (very) light-blue headscarf, herself, that day in '63, can be forgiven, I suppose, for misidentifying:

1) light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmonds as herself,

2) medium-framed strawberry-blond Gloria Jeanne Holt as very-large-framed, dark-red-haired (but wearing a dark-blue headscarf that day) Gloria Jean Calvery,

3) and "Maybe XXXXX" as self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob (previously misidentified by Speth, Unger, Roberdeau, and Vaughan as . . . gasp . . . Gloria Calvery),

. . . seein' as how she was doing the mis-identifyin' to a . . . gasp . . . national audience, from behind, from a long distance away (from the camera's point of view), and fifty-five years after-the-fact -- to yep, smilin'-and-noddin' Stephen Fagin.

LOL!

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

   Now you wanna play "word" games? Smith testified that he started,  "UP" Toward the book depository. You have conveniently OMITTED the "UP" which rules out Smith heading in the direction of Calvery. Nice try.

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

[Royell Storing]

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

   I take the above as your admission that you Mickey Mouse'd Smith's WC Testimony. That ain't cool. The above is why knowing Testimony is important. It gets fudged and in the above case, Omitted!

[Michael T. Griffith]

Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.

The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.

At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

Very good post, Dan. Yes, Lovelady and Shelley, like many other witnesses, changed their stories to conform to the lone-gunman tale.

Officer Baker initially said he saw Oswald standing in the second-floor lunchroom. But, realizing that this was impossible if Oswald had been on the sixth floor during the shooting, Baker changed his story and claimed that when he saw Oswald, Oswald was just a few feet beyond the foyer door and that the door "may" have been nearly closed, implying that Oswald had gone through the door a few seconds earlier.

But even this doesn't work. When Baker cooked up this revised story, or when it was fed to him, he/they failed to account for the fact that Truly was running well ahead of Baker and had already crossed the second-floor landing and was heading up the stairs to the third floor when Baker said he spotted Oswald just beyond the foyer door.

Obviously, if Oswald had entered that door just a few seconds before Baker saw him, Truly could not have missed seeing Oswald.

[Lance Payette]

   Thanks for the post above. This is why a Positive ID should never be based on someone's BACK. This is the same kind of knee jerk reaction we saw from the Altgens Photo when Lovelady was mistakenly ID'd as Oswald. Some people never learn. "Measure twice, cut once".

Westbrook also identified herself from the front in Willis 5. In his Chapter 7b, Pat Speer goes through an extensive analysis of the photos. He acknowledges Westbrook's 2017 interview but insists she is simply wrong. However, he insists that the "Woman in White" helping "Calvery" up the TSBD steps is - wait for it! - WESTBROOK! Westbrook in 2017 was so far gone (gee, doesn't seem to be) that she didn't remember she was dressed HEAD TO TOE IN WHITE? I give up - see what you want to see and whatever makes you happy, folks.

BTW, Shelley was pretty clearly taller than 5'-6" and taller than Lovelady - that's the best evidence - and the photos at Prayer Man make clear beyond any reasonable doubt that it is Lovelady and Shelley walking west from the TSBD steps. Mark Tyler's animation, which does not include Shelley because he's irrelevant for Mark's purposes, has Calvery reaching Lovelady at the TSBD steps and entering the building before Lovelady has departed or Baker has arrived; he has Baker arriving and entering the building before Lovelady departs; and Lovelady (and presumably Shelley) then walking west after that.

Note to WC Sham Man Dan: I have read more of Tom's "work" on this issue than you can imagine. I don't insist it's wrong - I do insist the supposed 3D model is - but merely that Westbrook's recollections are flatly contrary, Speer's analysis is different, Tom has been challenged by knowledgeable researchers at almost every twist and turn, and Tom's obsession with this issue has caused me more giggles (it's a hoot!) than anything in recent memory. If your posts were more of a hoot and less in the vein of tedious CTer crap, my life would be complete.

[Dan O'meara]

   I take the above as your admission that you Mickey Mouse'd Smith's WC Testimony. That ain't cool. The above is why knowing Testimony is important. It gets fudged and in the above case, Omitted!

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.
It's a very simple thing to do, Royell.
You seem to have s very strong opinion about it but I can't make out what it is you actually think.
So, for clarification, explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

[Tom Graves]

Westbrook also identified herself from the front in Willis 5. In his Chapter 7b, Pat Speer goes through an extensive analysis of the photos. He acknowledges Westbrook's 2017 interview but insists she is simply wrong. However, he insists that the "Woman in White" helping "Calvery" up the TSBD steps was - wait for it! - WESTBROOK! Westbrook in 2017 was so far gone (gee, doesn't seem to be) that she didn't remember she was dressed HEAD TO TOE IN WHITE? I give up - see what you want to see and whatever makes you happy, folks.

Dear Fancy Pants,

If you've ever seen the color photos of Calvery and her South-West Publishing Company colleagues (including Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, and Westbrook) that were taken during (must have been somber) Christmas that year, you'll realize that Westbrook was almost as tall as big/tall Calvery, and probably is, therefore, the best candidate for the tall gal mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in the infamous, marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame that Robin Unger posted back-in-the-day (and which has, unfortunately, been misleading JFKA researchers and yahoos like you ever since), thereby meaning that one of Calvery's other colleagues, Karan Hicks or Carol Reed, was "Woman-Dressed-All-In-White" in the Zapruder film and in Couch-Darnell, and, concomitantly (or should I say "conversely"?), that whichever one of those two colleagues wasn't "Dressed-All-In-White Woman" was very likely the bookin'-it towards the TSBD "Running Woman" in the aforementioned Couch-Darnell clip.

-- Tom