NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible

[Michael T. Griffith]

Good photo.

Umm, that photo is in my article (Figure 4). It's in my article because it shows the tie knot squarely centered in the middle of the collar band.

It looks as though JFK having his right elbow on the side of the limo raised up the right side of his body which jilted the tie to the right.

But the tie knot is still centered between the ends of the collar band. Surely you can see this. Of course the loose-hanging part of the tie beneath the knot could easily be moved somewhat by body movements, but not the tie knot. Even the motorcade photo that shows JFK in the act of waving shows the tie knot centered in the middle of the collar band (Figure 3 in my article).

And it would appear JFKs elbow was still on the side of the limo at z224.

Even some of the WC's experts acknowledged that the Zapruder film shows JFK starting to react before he goes behind the freeway sign, long before Z224. The HSCA experts confirmed this, as did Olson and Turner in their Journal of Forensic Science article.

On a related note, two of your side's wound ballistics experts--Lattimer and Piziali-- have admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit at least four frames earlier.

[Tim Nickerson]

On a related note, two of your side's wound ballistics experts--Lattimer and Piziali-- have admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit at least four frames earlier.

Other experts opine that the fastest possible reaction time could have been as little as .10 to .12 seconds. Two experts I consulted said such a speedy reaction was theoretically possible but they indicated that a slightly slower response was more probable under the circumstances. In any case, .10 seconds equates to 2.1 Zapruder frames. So, if we assume Kennedy reacted in .10 seconds, this means the bullet could have struck him no later than Z222.9. The earliest time given by WC supporters for the alleged magic-bullet, lapel-flipping strike is Z223.19. Thus, Kennedy's Z225 reaction could not have been in response to the same missile that allegedly struck Connally at Z224. -  Michael T. Griffith
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Note Griffith's concession that a physical reaction such as the one he describes could occur in as short a time span as two frames.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/jfkhit.htm

[Jack Nessan]

Umm, that photo is in my article (Figure 4). It's in my article because it shows the tie knot squarely centered in the middle of the collar band.

But the tie knot is still centered between the ends of the collar band. Surely you can see this. Of course the loose-hanging part of the tie beneath the knot could easily be moved somewhat by body movements, but not the tie knot. Even the motorcade photo that shows JFK in the act of waving shows the tie knot centered in the middle of the collar band (Figure 3 in my article).

Even some of the WC's experts acknowledged that the Zapruder film shows JFK starting to react before he goes behind the freeway sign, long before Z224. The HSCA experts confirmed this, as did Olson and Turner in their Journal of Forensic Science article.

On a related note, two of your side's wound ballistics experts--Lattimer and Piziali-- have admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit at least four frames earlier.

SBT Impossible--- only in fantasy land.

Any headway on proving the third shot or just more dodging the issue? Maybe these quotes from Six Seconds in Dallas about real evidence and not just your opinion will help. It looks like the fact there were only two shots completely nails the lid shut on your whole storyline.

Josiah Thompson from Six Seconds in Dallas pages 140-146:

“Marks found on the dented case indicated that it had been loaded in and extracted from a weapon at least three times (26H449) . In addition, it had "three sets of marks on the base" that were not found on the others or on any of the numerous test cartridges obtained from Oswald's rifle (26H449). A ballistics expert testified that these anomalous marks were pos­sibly caused by a "dry firing" run-that is, by inserting the empty cartridge case in the breech while practicing with the rifle (3H510)”

“All this excites our suspicion with respect to CE 543, the dented cartridge case. What is most sur­prising-perhaps conclusive-about this cartridge case is that it lacks a characteristic impression along the side exhibited in one form or other by all the other cartridges we know to have been seated in the chamber of Oswald's rifle. I first noticed this char­acteristic mark while supervising the photographing of the cartridges for Life. I observed on two of the cartridge cases (CE's 544, 545) an impression on the side in the same relative position on each. I ex­amined the third and saw that no such impression was apparent.”

“The anomaly did not excite my interest until I noticed that the live round found in the cham­ber of Oswald's rifle (CE 141) exhibited a similar impression in the same place. On the live round the mark was not as pronounced-perhaps due to the fact that it had not been fired. The pressure of firing would tend to accentuate any indentation caused by contact with the chamber. I now had three car­tridge cases, all of which ostensibly were at one time or other in the chamber of Oswald's rifle and all of which evidenced a characteristic mark. If this mark was caused by a characteristic of the chamber of Oswald's rifle, then the lack of it on CE 543 might indicate that it had never been fired in Oswald's rifle. One way to test my hypothesis was to examine CE 557--- two cartridge cases from the test rounds fired in Oswald’s rifle. Both of these cases displayed the characteristic mark in the same spot.4 Thus the car­tridge case that had an extra dent in the lip seemed to lack a mark exhibited by every other case we know to have been in the breech of Oswald's rifle.”

With all of the information supplied by Josiah in addition to the observation of the shells by Josiah, plus the bullet and bullet fragment information, eyewitness testimony, Zapruder Film, HSCA trajectory determination, HSCA Sound Analysis, is all applied to the JFKA, there can only be one conclusion. Two Shots. Which leaves all your conspiracy narratives pretty much useless and dead in the water. 

Just trying to help here, but there might be room for a conspiracy in the RFK assassination. I read once there was a possible nine shots fired out of an eight-shot gun. Plus, some possible mind control. Whatever else you need you can make it up as you go.

[Michael T. Griffith]

SBT Impossible--- only in fantasy land.

Any headway on proving the third shot or just more dodging the issue? Maybe these quotes from Six Seconds in Dallas about real evidence and not just your opinion will help. It looks like the fact there were only two shots completely nails the lid shut on your whole storyline.

Josiah Thompson from Six Seconds in Dallas pages 140-146:

“Marks found on the dented case indicated that it had been loaded in and extracted from a weapon at least three times (26H449) . In addition, it had "three sets of marks on the base" that were not found on the others or on any of the numerous test cartridges obtained from Oswald's rifle (26H449). A ballistics expert testified that these anomalous marks were pos­sibly caused by a "dry firing" run-that is, by inserting the empty cartridge case in the breech while practicing with the rifle (3H510)”

“All this excites our suspicion with respect to CE 543, the dented cartridge case. What is most sur­prising-perhaps conclusive-about this cartridge case is that it lacks a characteristic impression along the side exhibited in one form or other by all the other cartridges we know to have been seated in the chamber of Oswald's rifle. I first noticed this char­acteristic mark while supervising the photographing of the cartridges for Life. I observed on two of the cartridge cases (CE's 544, 545) an impression on the side in the same relative position on each. I ex­amined the third and saw that no such impression was apparent.”

“The anomaly did not excite my interest until I noticed that the live round found in the cham­ber of Oswald's rifle (CE 141) exhibited a similar impression in the same place. On the live round the mark was not as pronounced-perhaps due to the fact that it had not been fired. The pressure of firing would tend to accentuate any indentation caused by contact with the chamber. I now had three car­tridge cases, all of which ostensibly were at one time or other in the chamber of Oswald's rifle and all of which evidenced a characteristic mark. If this mark was caused by a characteristic of the chamber of Oswald's rifle, then the lack of it on CE 543 might indicate that it had never been fired in Oswald's rifle. One way to test my hypothesis was to examine CE 557--- two cartridge cases from the test rounds fired in Oswald’s rifle. Both of these cases displayed the characteristic mark in the same spot.4 Thus the car­tridge case that had an extra dent in the lip seemed to lack a mark exhibited by every other case we know to have been in the breech of Oswald's rifle.”

Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63, but this does not prove that only two shots were fired during the assassination.

With all of the information supplied by Josiah in addition to the observation of the shells by Josiah, plus the bullet and bullet fragment information, eyewitness testimony, Zapruder Film, HSCA trajectory determination, HSCA Sound Analysis, is all applied to the JFKA, there can only be one conclusion. Two Shots. Which leaves all your conspiracy narratives pretty much useless and dead in the water.

HUH? The HSCA acoustical analysis determined that at least four shots were fired and that one of them came from the grassy knoll. The Zapruder film shows reactions to six shots. Thompson believes that at least five shots were fired. Numerous eyewitnesses heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. The Wiegman film shows a cloud of gunsmoke hanging near some of the trees on the grassy knoll. A number of witnesses on and near the knoll smelled the pungent scent of gun powder. We have the Tague miss, the manhole-cover-grass miss, the Aldredge curb scar miss, and the pavement-strike-near-limo miss. We have the extra bullet handled by Dr. James Young and Chief Mills. How in the world do you get only two shots?

Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view
I discuss these reactions in more detail in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy

The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvdvH8gTqFgMn-2vTI5ppg_egWxRKg9U/view

[Jack Nessan]

Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63, but this does not prove that only two shots were fired during the assassination.

HUH? The HSCA acoustical analysis determined that at least four shots were fired and that one of them came from the grassy knoll. The Zapruder film shows reactions to six shots. Thompson believes that at least five shots were fired. Numerous eyewitnesses heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. The Wiegman film shows a cloud of gunsmoke hanging near some of the trees on the grassy knoll. A number of witnesses on and near the knoll smelled the pungent scent of gun powder. We have the Tague miss, the manhole-cover-grass miss, the Aldredge curb scar miss, and the pavement-strike-near-limo miss. We have the extra bullet handled by Dr. James Young and Chief Mills. How in the world do you get only two shots?

Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view
I discuss these reactions in more detail in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy

The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvdvH8gTqFgMn-2vTI5ppg_egWxRKg9U/view

You offer as proof your own personal opinion? Nice. Except it is full of the usual contradictions.

 

Michael Griffith author of The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman

“Conversely, any fundamental inconsistency in the

evidence would undermine the analysis and the authenticity of the tape.”

 

MG------“It reasoned that if the timing, number and location of the

shooters, as shown on the tape, were corroborated or independently substantiated in

whole or in part by other scientific or physical evidence--that is, the Zapruder film,

findings of the forensic pathology and firearms panels, the neutron activation analysis

and the trajectory analysis-”=== “Conversely, any fundamental inconsistency in the

evidence would undermine the analysis and the authenticity of the tape.”

 

There were inconsistencies in the evidence for the dictabelt and it does undermine the authenticity in the tape. Especially because the inconsistencies were provided by the author of the paper--- M Griffith

Not only did you provide the inconsistencies. In fact, you clearly your belief in stated SBT with “that two shots struck the occupants.”

MG--- 2022

+  ”This aspect of the analysis was corroborated or independently

substantiated by three cartridge cases found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book

Depository on November 22, 1963, cartridge cases that had been fired in Oswald”


    MG 9/30/25---"Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63,"
 

+ “The Zapruder film contains visual evidence that two shots struck the

occupants of the Presidential limousine.(98)

 

+  “McLain said that he had been riding to the left rear of Vice

President Johnson's car and that just as he was completing his turn from Main onto

Houston Street, he heard what he believed to have been two shots.(67”

 

MG 9/30/25

“Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63, but this does not prove that only two shots were fired during the assassination.”

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How in the world do you get only two shots?

 

That is the belief of your poster boy for your dictabelt tripe, DPD McLain himself states in his interview on September 26, 1977, 

“McLain said that he had been riding to the left rear of Vice

President Johnson's car and that just as he was completing his turn from Main onto

Houston Street, he heard what he believed to have been two shots.(67”


Actually, the fact there was only two shots is written into a lot of your papers. You just don’t pay attention to what you are writing.

 

[Michael T. Griffith]

You offer as proof your own personal opinion? Nice. Except it is full of the usual contradictions.

Michael Griffith author of The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman

“Conversely, any fundamental inconsistency in the

evidence would undermine the analysis and the authenticity of the tape.” 

MG------“It reasoned that if the timing, number and location of the

shooters, as shown on the tape, were corroborated or independently substantiated in

whole or in part by other scientific or physical evidence--that is, the Zapruder film,

findings of the forensic pathology and firearms panels, the neutron activation analysis

and the trajectory analysis-”=== “Conversely, any fundamental inconsistency in the

evidence would undermine the analysis and the authenticity of the tape.”

 

There were inconsistencies in the evidence for the dictabelt and it does undermine the authenticity in the tape. Especially because the inconsistencies were provided by the author of the paper--- M Griffith

Not only did you provide the inconsistencies. In fact, you clearly your belief in stated SBT with “that two shots struck the occupants.”

MG--- 2022

+  ”This aspect of the analysis was corroborated or independently

substantiated by three cartridge cases found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book

Depository on November 22, 1963, cartridge cases that had been fired in Oswald”


    MG 9/30/25---"Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63,"
 

+ “The Zapruder film contains visual evidence that two shots struck the

occupants of the Presidential limousine.(98)


+  “McLain said that he had been riding to the left rear of Vice

President Johnson's car and that just as he was completing his turn from Main onto

Houston Street, he heard what he believed to have been two shots.(67”

 

MG 9/30/25

“Yes, CE 543, the dented shell, could not have been used to fire a bullet on 11/22/63, but this does not prove that only two shots were fired during the assassination.”

---------------
How in the world do you get only two shots?

That is the belief of your poster boy for your dictabelt tripe, DPD McLain himself states in his interview on September 26, 1977, 

“McLain said that he had been riding to the left rear of Vice

President Johnson's car and that just as he was completing his turn from Main onto

Houston Street, he heard what he believed to have been two shots.(67”

Actually, the fact there was only two shots is written into a lot of your papers. You just don’t pay attention to what you are writing.

Oh, boy. I'm not going to waste any more time on this two-shots-only nonsense. I'll just note two things:

One, you are part of a very tiny minority of people who believe only two shots were fired during the assassination. Every leading lone-gunman theorist rejects your two-shots scenario.

Two, I notice you said nothing about the Tague bullet-hole-in-curb-and-cheek-cut miss, the Aldredge curb-scar miss, the manhole-cover-grass miss, the pavement-strike-near-limo miss, the misshapen bullet found in the limousine that was handled by Dr. James Young and Chief Mills, and the six shot reactions in the Zapruder film.

[Jack Nessan]

Oh, boy. I'm not going to waste any more time on this two-shots-only nonsense. I'll just note two things:

One, you are part of a very tiny minority of people who believe only two shots were fired during the assassination. Every leading lone-gunman theorist rejects your two-shots scenario.

Two, I notice you said nothing about the Tague bullet-hole-in-curb-and-cheek-cut miss, the Aldredge curb-scar miss, the manhole-cover-grass miss, the pavement-strike-near-limo miss, the misshapen bullet found in the limousine that was handled by Dr. James Young and Chief Mills, and the six shot reactions in the Zapruder film.

Oh, boy. I'm not going to waste any more time on this two-shots-only nonsense. I'll just note two things:

You are not wasting your time. You have been proving the point that you have no idea what happened and are clearly wrong.

It does not bother me at all. I do not care what you do. I know the answer. To me your thinking is as low browed and childlike as there is. You simply aren’t clever enough to clue in.

What is and has been missing from your posts is the proof of a third shot. Just like an Ostrich stick your head in a hole and pretend no one can see what a fraud all of your papers and posts really are. 
 

One, you are part of a very tiny minority of people who believe only two shots were fired during the assassination. Every leading lone-gunman theorist rejects your two-shots scenario.

I could care less what everyone else thinks. I would think by now that is obvious. Three shots as an answer has never explained in any way what happened, both as lone gunman and as a conspiracy. It does not work. Nobody wants to actually know the answer it is more interesting to just discuss it. The answer ends it all. 

It doesn’t mean it is wrong, it only means you aren’t clever enough to see the obvious. Already you have forgotten most CTs believe in three shots also. You mean for two shots and a shot you cannot prove or even identify. Like you pretending there are three shots is way easier than proving a third shot.
 
Two, I notice you said nothing about the Tague bullet-hole-in-curb-and-cheek-cut miss, the Aldredge curb-scar miss, the manhole-cover-grass miss, the pavement-strike-near-limo miss, the misshapen bullet found in the limousine that was handled by Dr. James Young and Chief Mills, and the six shot reactions in the Zapruder film.

What a bunch of tripe. I would think you would be embarrassed to trot this nonsense out as if it was real. Eyewitness statements show each and everyone of those theories to be nothing but fantasy.

 

[Andrew Mason]

What is and has been missing from your posts is the proof of a third shot.

There is plenty of evidence that three shots were fired.  What is missing is the kind of evidence that you find persuasive. 

You obviously don't think that the three men on the fifth floor immediately below the SN provide credible evidence of three shots from directly above them. You don't think that the three shells found on the floor or Harold Norman's evidence that he heard three shots, three bolt action sounds and three shells hit the floor is credible.  You think that the 132 people who recalled three distinct shots are unreliable but the 17 who recalled just two are much more reliable.  You think that the Connallys, who insisted that JBC was hit by the second shot followed by a third that sprayed the car with blood and brain matter were hallucinating. Etc.