Why I Believe in the JFKA Conspiracy

[Tom Graves]

LP

My needs are rather base and shallow. I am flattered when someone says I have deep psychological needs.

Usually, a pretty girl with big tits is enough for me.

LP?

[Tom Graves]

Pray tell...you have cite?

Grok:

In the 2011 National Geographic documentary JFK: The Lost Bullet, Amos Euins, who hadn't spoken publicly about the assassination since 1967, was interviewed by journalist Max Holland in Dealey Plaza. Euins described the sequence of shots he heard as "pow (pause), pow-pow," indicating a first shot followed by a pause and then two rapid shots. This supported Holland's theory of an earlier first shot (a "lost bullet") fired before the limousine passed the Stemmons Freeway sign, potentially deflected by a traffic light, with the subsequent shots hitting Kennedy and Connally. Euins also reaffirmed that all shots came from the sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

I have seen the doc. Holland carefully does not broach the topic of how many shots Euins heard. Yo know Holland, he has a narrative and he will force feed it on viewers. That's fine, everyone has narrative.

Euins told the WC he heard four shots. I heard an audio of Euins' interview with the HSCA, but I forget now what he said.

[Michael T. Griffith]

I think it is helpful to keep in mind some of the examples from history of huge, complex military operations where only a small fraction of the personnel knew the full scope of the plan.

Take the plan for the D-Day invasion of Normandy in WWII, Operation Overlord, for example, which involved about 200,000 military personnel. The Allied command used strict information security practices and tightly compartmentalized knowledge about Operation Overlord to ensure secrecy.

Only the highest-level commanders were briefed on the full scope and strategic picture of the plan: a grand total of four senior officers (Eisenhower, Montgomery, Ramsay, and Leigh-Mallory). Only about 50 officers were involved in the formulating the plan for Overlord. Perhaps 5,000 officers out of the 160,000 combat personnel who took part in the landings knew parts of the plan, but only small and specific parts. If we add FDR, his top military advisers, and the Joint Chiefs and their staff to the list of people who knew the full scope and all major details of D-Day, that gives us perhaps another 40 people who were fully in the know.

So, let's take those numbers and apply them to the JFK assassination plot that many researchers believe occurred. At most, perhaps 600 people in total played any kind of a role in the JFK murder plot, either in the shooting or in the cover-up. The vast majority had no idea they were even aiding a plot. Some of them were military or government civilian personnel who were ordered to do what they did. Some were led to believe their actions would prevent a Soviet-American nuclear war that would kill tens of millions of Americans.

Since only about 100 people out of the 200,000 D-Day personnel knew the full scope and strategic nature of the D-Day plan, we can logically postulate that no more than 20 or 30 people were the prime movers and planners behind the JFK murder plot. Keeping the ratios from the D-Day plan in mind, perhaps another 15 or 20 people knew specific parts of the murder plot but only the parts that applied to them.

There are innumerable indications that the JFK murder plot did not go as planned and that the plotters were not always able to suppress or anticipate unwanted evidence. Some examples:

-- Connally was not supposed to get hit. His wounding eventually forced the Warren Commission (WC) to concoct the ridiculous single-bullet theory to avoid having to admit there were multiple gunmen.

-- The wounding of Connally also forced the WC to attribute to Oswald a shooting feat that was far beyond his ability and that could not even be duplicated by Master-rated riflemen. 

-- The plotters assumed that damning evidence not included in the WC volumes, including the autopsy materials and key FBI reports and evidence photos, would remain sealed for 75 years.

-- The plotters did not realize for at least several weeks that the location of the rear head entry wound had to be changed substantially because it did not line up with a trajectory back to the sixth-floor window.

-- Before the plotters realized they couldn't get away with not publishing the frames of the Zapruder film and that the entry wound in the throat was too problematic for their lone-shooter scenario, they floated the story in Life magazine that the Zapruder film showed JFK turning backward to look behind him and that this was when he was hit in the throat.

-- The plotters did not count on anyone spotting the Oswald imposter, or Oswald himself, getting into a waiting station wagon in Dealey Plaza after the shooting. They especially didn't count on Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig seeing this and his account being broadcast on a local TV station and reported in the newspapers. Had it not been for Craig's account, they probably could have easily buried the three other accounts, because only one of those three mentioned that the man looked like Oswald. 

 









 

[Benjamin Cole]

I think it is helpful to keep in mind some of the examples from history of huge, complex military operations where only a small fraction of the personnel knew the full scope of the plan.

Take the plan for the D-Day invasion of Normandy in WWII, Operation Overlord, for example, which involved about 200,000 military personnel. The Allied command used strict information security practices and tightly compartmentalized knowledge about Operation Overlord to ensure secrecy.

Only the highest-level commanders were briefed on the full scope and strategic picture of the plan: a grand total of four senior officers (Eisenhower, Montgomery, Ramsay, and Leigh-Mallory). Only about 50 officers were involved in the formulating the plan for Overlord. Perhaps 5,000 officers out of the 160,000 combat personnel who took part in the landings knew parts of the plan, but only small and specific parts. If we add FDR, his top military advisers, and the Joint Chiefs and their staff to the list of people who knew the full scope and all major details of D-Day, that gives us perhaps another 40 people who were fully in the know.

So, let's take those numbers and apply them to the JFK assassination plot that many researchers believe occurred. At most, perhaps 600 people in total played any kind of a role in the JFK murder plot, either in the shooting or in the cover-up. The vast majority had no idea they were even aiding a plot. Some of them were military or government civilian personnel who were ordered to do what they did. Some were led to believe their actions would prevent a Soviet-American nuclear war that would kill tens of millions of Americans.

Since only about 100 people out of the 200,000 D-Day personnel knew the full scope and strategic nature of the D-Day plan, we can logically postulate that no more than 20 or 30 people were the prime movers and planners behind the JFK murder plot. Keeping the ratios from the D-Day plan in mind, perhaps another 15 or 20 people knew specific parts of the murder plot but only the parts that applied to them.

There are innumerable indications that the JFK murder plot did not go as planned and that the plotters were not always able to suppress or anticipate unwanted evidence. Some examples:

-- Connally was not supposed to get hit. His wounding eventually forced the Warren Commission (WC) to concoct the ridiculous single-bullet theory to avoid having to admit there were multiple gunmen.

-- The wounding of Connally also forced the WC to attribute to Oswald a shooting feat that was far beyond his ability and that could not even be duplicated by Master-rated riflemen. 

-- The plotters assumed that damning evidence not included in the WC volumes, including the autopsy materials and key FBI reports and evidence photos, would remain sealed for 75 years.

-- The plotters did not realize for at least several weeks that the location of the rear head entry wound had to be changed substantially because it did not line up with a trajectory back to the sixth-floor window.

-- Before the plotters realized they couldn't get away with not publishing the frames of the Zapruder film and that the entry wound in the throat was too problematic for their lone-shooter scenario, they floated the story in Life magazine that the Zapruder film showed JFK turning backward to look behind him and that this was when he was hit in the throat.

-- The plotters did not count on anyone spotting the Oswald imposter, or Oswald himself, getting into a waiting station wagon in Dealey Plaza after the shooting. They especially didn't count on Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig seeing this and his account being broadcast on a local TV station and reported in the newspapers. Had it not been for Craig's account, they probably could have easily buried the three other accounts, because only one of those three mentioned that the man looked like Oswald.

Well...I dunno.

If someone was plotting the JFKA, how would they approach possible co-conspirators? And if a possible co-conspirator said, "No. You are nuts to even propose such a thing." Then what? Murder that guy?

No one ever came forward and said, "Oh I was approached to participate, but I did not. These are the guys who propositioned me (then names names)."

If the plotters approached anyone, and that someone refused to participate...then the plotters would either have to scrub the plot, or rely on the non-participant to keep quiet. That's dicier than a Vegas craps game in a back-alley with armed and drugged gangsters. 

Post-JFKA, there hasn't been a single convincing confession of participation in the JFKA. Indeed, the only JFKA suspect known beyond reasonable doubt to be in DP on 11/22 is...LHO. No one has ever explained the JFKA plot, or plotters, with any believability.

This leads me to conclude the JFK plot was very small, perhaps two Alpha 66'ers and LHO. The Alpha 66'ers (Diaz and Del Valle) were dead by 1966 and 1967, respectively. Dead men tell no tales.

Beside, we know how the "Deep State" removes presidents from power. See Nixon, Carter and Trump. They manipulate media, partisan animosities, weaponize prosecutorial agencies.

My guess: The plotters behind the JFKA had no institutional power in the US, so they chose assassination. They were motivated by intense nationalism and ideology, and possibly revenge for the BoP.

That likely points to Cuban exiles, but possibly KGB, G-2 assets, perhaps Marcello mobsters.

Comfortable members of elites are in no hurry. Was life bad for the rich in the US in 1963? Hardly.

Was Vietnam important? No.

JFK was an ardent anti-communist, and vowed to contest Russia and Cuba in the New World, and elsewhere.

The James Douglass hagiography is left-wing baloney.

[Tom Graves]

We know how the "Deep State" removes presidents from power. See Nixon, Carter and Trump. They manipulate media, partisan animosities, weaponize prosecutorial agencies.

Your saying the "Deep State" removed Trump from office is rich, given the fact that it was "former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin's hackers and professional St. Petersburg trolls, with help from Julian Assange, Paul Manafort, GRU officer Konstantin Kilimnik, and Oleg Deripaska, et al. ad nauseam -- and with possible help from Roger "I Have A Back Channel To Trump" Stone and Harley Schlanger -- who put Trump in the White House in the first place.

There's the real "Deep State."

Unfortunately, it seems as though you (and 95% of the population) have been zombified by its successful waging of disinformation, "active measures, and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies for the past sixty-six years (it started in 1959).

Thank you in advance for your cordial comments.

"Quaeso me cochleari KGB suffoca."