Shelley intercepted Calvery at the "island" about 10 seconds after final shot

[Tom Graves]

Just to inject a bit of honesty into this thread.
Shelley's affidavit and his WC testimony completely contradict each other.

The sequence of events described in his affidavit is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Heads to the concrete spur (on his own) where he meets Gloria.
3] Returns to the TSBD
4] Re-enters the building

The sequence of events described in his WC testimony is as follows:
1] On front steps when he hears shots
2] Waits on steps for about 3 minutes before Gloria arrives at steps
3] Both he and Lovelady then head over to the concrete spur.
4] He turns and sees Baker and Truly still outside the building.
5] Heads down Elm Street extension to the railroad yard, hangs around there for a while, re-enters building through west door (none of which is mentioned in his affidavit).

The main problem for young Thomas is Lovelady.
In his WC testimony Lovelady heads across to the spur AFTER interacting with Gloria on the steps (in his affidavit he never even leaves the steps before re-entering the building).
It is impossible for the two figures on Elm Street to be Shelley and Lovelady if this is the case.
There is simply no time as Gloria had just arrived at the steps in Darnell.
There is no way around this for young Thomas.

However, if we accept the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady, and that Lovelady was still on the steps when Gloria came up and told him about the shooting, it is clear that Darnell is showing the moment Gloria arrives at the steps. The man she is talking to on the steps is Lovelady (who is stood in exactly the same position on the steps he was as the motorcade passed by).
There is nothing contradicting this identification.

Big/tall, 20-year-old, dark-blue-skirt-wearing / dark-blue-headscarf-wearing / lighter-colored-plaid-skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery and her three headscarf-wearing work colleagues were standing shoulder-to-shoulder about 40 yards from the "island" during the motorcade.

Calvery can be seen standing on or going up the TSBD steps next to her dressed-in-all-white colleague, Karan Hicks, 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

A guy who looks like William Shelley and a guy who looks like Billy Lovelady can be seen walking/running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

The Shelley figure is slender, wearing a suit, and has a "pompadour" hair style. The Lovelady figure has a "male pattern" bald spot and is wearing a dark-colored long-sleeve shirt that has bold black and white horizontal and vertical lines.

Calvery's and Hicks' colleague, Carol Reed (who is wearing a black skirt, a white blouse, and a red headscarf in the Zapruder film, and who has told researcher Brian Doyle that she remembers running after the assassination), can be seen running past the Shelley and Lovelady figures, on her way to the TSBD 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

Police officer Marion Baker can be seen running towards the TSBD front steps, and Roy Truly, standing in front of the steps, can be seen watching Baker run past him 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

Shelley and Lovelady, due to poor memories and/or for sinister reasons, were "all over the place" (pardon the pun) in their affidavits and testimonies, but if we combine what we see in Couch-Darnell with certain statements in their affidavits and testimonies, we can create a plausible narrative which says:

Shelley (and Lovelady?) intercepted a crying Calvery and Hicks at the "island" about ten seconds after the final shot, Calvery (and Hicks?) told Shelley (and Lovelady?) there that JFK had been shot, Shelley and Lovelady started walking towards the railway yard / parking lot, Calvery and Hicks continued on their way to the TSBD steps (where Buell Wesley Frazier said he heard her bellow out that JFK had been shot), Shelley and Lovelady sped up when Carol Reed ran past them and verbally confirmed that JFK had been shot, and Shelley and Lovelady, after staying at the railway yard / parking lot for a minute or so, came back to the TSBD and entered it through a rear door, near which rear door just-arrived-from-the-fourth-floor Vicki Adams and/or Sandra Styles may (or may not) have seen Shelley and/or Lovelady on the first floor in the rear part of the building.

. . . . . . .

Caveat:

I don't subscribe to the "Prayer Man" theory, but Greg Parker's website has some good images of Lovelady and Shelley showing how they closely resemble the Shelley and Lovelady figures who are walking/running towards the railway yard / parking lot 25-30 seconds after the final shot in Couch-Darnell.

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/billy-nolan-lovelady/

 

[Dan O'meara]

Big/tall, 19-year-old, dark-blue-skirt-wearing / dark-blue-headscarf-wearing / lighter-colored-plaid-skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery and her three headscarf-wearing work colleagues were standing shoulder-to-shoulder only about 40 yards from the "island" during the motorcade.

She's standing on or going up the TSBD steps next to her dressed-in-all-white colleague, Karan Hicks, 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

A guy who looks like William Shelley and a guy who looks like Billy Lovelady can be seen walking/running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

The Shelley figure is slender, wearing a suit, and has a "pompadour" hair style. The Lovelady figure has a "male pattern" bald spot and is wearing a dark-colored long-sleeve shirt that has bold black and white horizontal and vertical lines.

Calvery's and Hicks' colleague, Carol Reed (who is wearing a black skirt, a white blouse, and a red headscarf in the Zapruder film, and who has told researcher Brian Doyle that she remembers running after the assassination), can be seen running past the Shelley and Lovelady figures, on her way to the TSBD 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

Police officer Marion Baker can be seen running towards the TSBD front steps, and Roy Truly, standing in front of the steps, can be seen watching Baker run past him 25-30 seconds after the final shot in the Couch-Darnell clip.

Shelley and Lovelady, due to poor memories and/or for sinister reasons, were "all over the place" (pardon the pun) in their affidavits and testimonies, but if we combine what we see in Couch-Darnell with certain statements in their affidavits and testimonies, we can create a plausible narrative which says:

Shelley (and Lovelady?) intercepted a crying Calvery and Hicks at the "island" about ten seconds after the final shot, Calvery (and Hicks?) told Shelley (and Lovelady?) there that JFK had been shot, Shelley and Lovelady started walking towards the railway yard / parking lot, Calvery and Hicks continued on their way to the TSBD steps, Shelley and Lovelady sped up when Carol Reed ran past them and verbally confirmed that JFK had been shot, and Shelley and Lovelady, after staying at the railway yard / parking lot for a minute or so, came back to the TSBD and entered it through a rear door, near which just-arrived-from-the-fourth-floor Vicki Adams and/or Sandra Styles may (or may not) have seen Shelley and/or Lovelady on the first floor in the rear part of the building.

Wow.
So now you have Lovelady racing out to the "island" where he meets Calvery who tells him about the shooting at the island.
Don't you have any qualms about making this stuff up when you know Lovelady stated he was still on the steps when Gloria came running up.
How do you explain Shelley saying he met Gloria at the "island" in his affidavit but that he stayed on the steps after the shooting until Gloria arrived there in his WC testimony.
How do you explain the 3 minute lie both men told about how long it took Gloria to get there.
How do you explain that Shelley stated they spent a minute or two on the "island" but is seen walking up Elm Street seconds after the shooting?
How do you explain that Shelley was on the "island"when he saw Baker at the bottom of the steps but in Darnell "Shelley" is walking down Elm with his back to Baker arriving at the steps.

To be honest, now you've reached the stage where you're knowingly fabricating events, I suppose rational debate has left the building.
Do you remember when you used to be a decent researcher?

[Tom Graves]

So, now you have Lovelady racing out to the "island" where he meets Calvery, who tells him about the shooting at the island.

Why the hyperbole, Gaslighter Supreme?

I put a question mark after Lovelady's name.

Perhaps you didn't notice.

For all I know, best-man Shelley "raced out to the 'island'" all by him widdle self to intercept Calvery and Hicks and find out why they were running and crying. If that was the case, then Shelley probably signaled (by waving his arm, pointing, whistling loudly, etc.) to Lovelady (scoping things out from your beloved steps) to join him on his walk to the railway yard / parking lot to check things out.

Don't you have any qualms about making this stuff up when you know Lovelady stated he was still on the steps when Gloria came running up.

I didn't make anything up, Danny Boy.

I extrapolated from what Shelley and Lovelady said in their various affidavits and testimonies to create a plausible narrative that jibes with Couch-Darnell and the timing elements of Mark Tyler's mostly-correct (e.g., Calvery's location during the motorcade and the fact that Baker started running towards the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot) synchronized animation of the motorcade.

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg

Do you have a problem with that?

How do you explain Shelley saying he met Gloria at the "island" in his affidavit but that he stayed on the steps after the shooting until Gloria arrived there in his WC testimony.

Beats the heck out of me.

The dude either had a really poor memory regarding chaotic and stressful situations he'd been in, or he was part of the evil, evil Deep State, I reckon.

What do you make of it?

How do you explain the three-minute lie both men told about how long it took Gloria to get there?

See above.

How do you explain that Shelley stated they spent a minute or two on the "island" but is seen walking up Elm Street seconds after the shooting?

Ditto.

How do you explain that Shelley was on the "island" when he saw Baker at the bottom of the steps but in Darnell "Shelley" is walking down Elm with his back to Baker arriving at the steps?

Beats the heck out of me.

It really does.

To be honest, now you've reached the stage where you're knowingly fabricating events, I suppose rational debate has left the building.

That's tantamount to calling me a liar.

Do you really want to call me a liar, Danny Boy?

Do you remember when you used to be a decent researcher?

Do you mean when I used to be a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist like you?

[Dan O'meara]

Why the hyperbole, Gaslighter Supreme?

I put a question mark after Lovelady's name.

Perhaps you didn't notice.

You clearly don't know what Gaslighting means.
And you can put as many question marks after Lovelady's name as you want, you've been caught out peddling this nonsense already and you doubtless will again.

For all I know, best-man Shelley "raced out to the 'island'" all by him widdle self to intercept Calvery and Hicks and find out why they were running and crying. If that was the case, then Shelley probably signaled (by waving his arm, pointing, whistling loudly, etc.) to Lovelady (scoping things out from your beloved steps) to join him on his walk to the railway yard / parking lot to check things out.

Great...more invented scenarios plucked out of thin air.
You really are starting to sound like some of the more fringe elements of the JFKA debate.

I didn't make anything up, Danny Boy.

I extrapolated from what Shelley and Lovelady said in their various affidavits and testimonies to create a plausible narrative that jibes with Couch-Darnell and the timing elements of Mark Tyler's mostly-correct synchronized animation of the motorcade.

You clearly don't know what "making things up" means.
You've completely invented a scenario that does not have a scrap of evidence to support it, which is, in fact, refuted by the evidence
You have invented it out of thin air.
You have fabricated it

Do you have a problem with that?

Knock yourself out, buddy.

Beats the heck out of me.

The dude either had a really poor memory regarding chaotic and stressful situations he'd been in, or he was part of the evil, evil Deep State, I reckon.

What do you make of it?

See above.

Ditto.

Beats the heck out of me.

It really does.

Wow.

That's tantamount to calling me a liar.

Do you really want to call me a liar, Danny Boy?

"Liar" is your word, not mine.
Try to think of a nicer word for someone who makes up any old  they want in order to support their agenda.

Do you mean when I used to be a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist like you?

I bet you had some respect for the evidence back then.

[Tom Graves]

You clearly don't know what Gaslighting means.
And you can put as many question marks after Lovelady's name as you want, you've been caught out peddling this nonsense already and you doubtless will again.

Great...more invented scenarios plucked out of thin air.
You really are starting to sound like some of the more fringe elements of the JFKA debate.

You clearly don't know what "making things up" means.
You've completely invented a scenario that does not have a scrap of evidence to support it, which is, in fact, refuted by the evidence
You have invented it out of thin air.
You have fabricated it

Knock yourself out, buddy.

Wow.

"Liar" is your word, not mine.
Try to think of a nicer word for someone who makes up any old [xxx xxxx] they want in order to support their agenda.

I bet you had some respect for the evidence back then.

Dear Danny Boy,

You're flailing, like a non-swimmer caught in a rip current who knows he's going down, down, down.

Regardless, you evidently think (sic) Shelley and Lovelady were witting parts of "The Conspiracy."

Why don't you spit out your tinfoil-hat JFKA CT for us, DB?

Between desperate breaths, that is.

-- Tom

PS You don't deny that Gloria Calvery is standing on, or walking up, the TSBD steps about 30 seconds after the final shot in Couch-Darnell, do you?

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Do you think it's just a "photographic processing anomaly" that the bold horizontal and vertical stripes in the shirt "Lovelady" is wearing Couch-Darnell perfectly correlate with the stripes in the shirt we know he was wearing that day?

-- Tom

   Bump with respect to your claimed, "..bold horizontal and vertical stripes in the shirt". How can a shirt have "Bold HORIZONTAL and VERTICAL Stripes", and not be checkered? 

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

When I hear the word "checkered," I think of the board that the game of checkers (and chess) is played on.

It has sixty-eight equal-sized, alternating (typically) red-and-black squares on it, meaning that each square is relatively small compared to the overall size of the board.

Do you think Lovelady was wearing a shirt with a pattern of smallish, equal-sized squares on 11/22/63?

Or maybe you think he was wearing the shirt with the broad red-and-white vertical stripes that he was wearing at home when an FBI agent visited him and took some photos of him?

Regardless, do you agree that a brutish-looking Lovelady was "captured" on film by Martin and Hughes as he was standing on the TSBD's steps several minutes after the assassination, jutting his jaw outward while exhaling cigarette smoke and waiting to get back into the building, and/or do you agree that Lovelady was "captured" on film as he was sitting in-or-near the police station's Homicide and Robbery Bureau when they walked Oswald past him on their way to an interrogation room?

If so, that's the "checkered" or "plaid" shirt I'm talking about.

You've seen the frames from Couch-Darnell that have been photographically processed (contrast-adjusted?) in such a way as to show the pattern of bold horizontal and vertical stripes in said shirt, haven't you?

-- Tom

   I am familiar with what the Lovelady shirt looked like. Your description does Not match that shirt.  This calls into question your other JFK Assassination Film observations. This would include the BACK of that person standing in front of the TSBD. Also, Lovelady and Shelley re-entered the TSBD via the dock at the end of the Elm St Ext. Lovelady very clearly details this during his WC Testimony. You mention Lovelady standing on the TSBD Steps and "exhaling cigarette smoke", while waiting to get inside the TSBD? Maybe what we are seeing was filmed during the 3-4 Minutes BEFORE he and Shelley spoke with Calvery and then walked down the Elm St Ext? Which of course defeats your claiming that Calvery spoke with Lovelady and Shelley 30 seconds after the Kill Shot , which then sent Lovelady and Shelley walking down the Elm St Ext. You're defeating your point that Calvery was at the TSBD and speaking with Lovelady and Shelley only 30 seconds after the Kill Shot.