Calvery's location in Darnell supports those 2 guys' being Lovelady and Shelley

[Dan O'meara]

Good Lord.

I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)

Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).

If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.

Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.

"Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island"...If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot."

Changing the narrative to suit your own needs 
It really is beneath you, Tom.

Lovelady never moved from the from steps. After the shooting he was stood there when Gloria came running up to the steps telling everyone there about what she had witnessed. After this both he and Shelley reentered the TSBD building.
In his affidavit he never moves from the steps into the street.
In his WC testimony he is on the front steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrives at the steps.
There is not a scrap of testimonial evidence that even hints he left the steps before Gloria spoke to him.
Insinuating that Lovelady left the steps and met Gloria at the concrete spur is a slippery slope.

[Royell Storing]

Good Lord.

I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)

Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).

If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.

Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.

   Yes, I agree that some people are bad when it comes to recalling the passage of time. That said, there is a huge difference between talking with Calvery 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot and 3-4 Minutes after the Kill Shot. Also Lovelady & Shelley claimed that they spoke with Calvery BEFORE they crossed the Elm St Ext and stood on that small island on the corner of Elm/Houston.
   Do you know where on the Elm St Ext we are seeing the 2 figures that are alleged to be Lovelady & Shelley? They appear to me to be close to the sidewalk that ran down the Elm St Ext alongside the TSBD. Shelley gave WC testimony that he and Lovelady walked down the middle of the Elm St Ext toward the rail road yard.  These 2 figures moving down the Elm St Ext being close to that sidewalk would be contrary to the Shelley WC testimony.   

[Dan O'meara]

   60 feet? That would only be 20 yards. Try half a football field = 150 feet/50 yards. For Calvery to cover half a football field in 25 seconds immediately following the Kill Shot is a very serious timeline issue.

A fast jog would be 6 miles per hour.
There are 5280 feet in one mile.
At 6 mph that would be a distance of 31680 feet in one hour (6 x 5280)
Divide by 60 for how many feet per minute = 528 feet in one minute at 6 mph
Divide by 60 for how many feet per seconds = 8.8 feet in one second at 6 mph

In order to find how many seconds it would take to cover 150 feet, divide 150 by 8.8 = 17 seconds
It would take Gloria 17 seconds to cover 150 feet moving at 6 mph (which is not considered running flat out, but a fast jog)

[Tom Graves]

A fast jog would be 6 miles per hour.
There are 5280 feet in one mile.
At 6 mph that would be a distance of 31680 feet in one hour (6 x 5280)
Divide by 60 for how many feet per minute = 528 feet in one minute at 6 mph
Divide by 60 for how many feet per seconds = 8.8 feet in one second at 6 mph

In order to find how many seconds it would take to cover 150 feet, divide 150 by 8.8 = 17 seconds
It would take Gloria 17 seconds to cover 150 feet moving at 6 mph (which is not considered running flat out, but a fast jog)

Dear Danny Boy,

1) Why in the world would she "fast jog" towards the TSBD after seeing the head of the President of the United States head get blown off?

2) How long would it take her to run, flat-out, the 120 feet (40 yards) to the "island," where Shelley testified that she told him that JFK had been shot?

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Dear Danny Boy,

1) Why in the world would she "fast jog" towards the TSBD after seeing the head of the President of the United States head get blown off?

You're missing the point, Thomas.
Royell was having a hard time believing that Gloria could have made the distance of 150 feet in 25 seconds.
I have demonstrated, using basic calculations, that Gloria could have covered the distance in 17 seconds at a modest pace of 6 mph, therefore, his concerns about Gloria making the distance in the time you proposed are unwarranted.
She could have easily made the distance in 25 seconds, so Royell's mind should be put at ease.

2) How long would it take her to run, flat-out, the 120 feet (40 yards) to the "island," where Shelley testified that she told him that JFK had been shot?

-- Tom

For argument's sake, let's say it's 120 feet to the concrete spur and 30 feet from there to the steps of the TSBD building.
Let's assume that, after having seen JFK's head explode, Gloria is in a full on, fight-or-flight, adrenaline-fueled sprint.
Let's say she's reached the perfectly achievable speed of 8mph.
It would take her a shade over 10 seconds to reach the spur.
It must be remembered that she had some kind of interaction with Shelley at the "little, old island" and most probably had an interaction with officer Joe Smith before she made her way to the front steps of the TSBD building. Let's say she reached the front steps about 20 seconds after the head shot.
This makes your identification of Shelley and Lovelady on Elm Street impossible.

[Royell Storing]

You're missing the point, Thomas.
Royell was having a hard time believing that Gloria could have made the distance of 150 feet in 25 seconds.
I have demonstrated, using basic calculations, that Gloria could have covered the distance in 17 seconds at a modest pace of 6 mph, therefore, his concerns about Gloria making the distance in the time you proposed are unwarranted.
She could have easily made the distance in 25 seconds, so Royell's mind should be put at ease.

For argument's sake, let's say it's 120 feet to the concrete spur and 30 feet from there to the steps of the TSBD building.
Let's assume that, after having seen JFK's head explode, Gloria is in a full on, fight-or-flight, adrenaline-fueled sprint.
Let's say she's reached the perfectly achievable speed of 8mph.
It would take her a shade over 10 seconds to reach the spur.
It must be remembered that she had some kind of interaction with Shelley at the "little, old island" and most probably had an interaction with officer Joe Smith before she made her way to the front steps of the TSBD building. Let's say she reached the front steps about 20 seconds after the head shot.
This makes your identification of Shelley and Lovelady on Elm Street impossible.

   You can crunch all the numbers you want. But you are doing so in a vacuum. Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.   

[Tom Graves]

Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.

Comrade Storing,

You're so full of beans, I can smell you from here.

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

   You can crunch all the numbers you want. But you are doing so in a vacuum. Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.

You can crunch all the numbers you want.

I take it, Royell, that this is your way of accepting some basic mathematics, which you could (and should) have done yourself.
Gloria could have easily made the distance in the given time.
I hope that issue is now put to bed.

Nobody that witnessed the JFK Head Explosion was racing back to the TSBD. Including those 3 girls that were extremely distraught on film. Eyewitnesses were absolutely stunned and some were even sickened. This includes WW2 Vets like Willis and Brehm.

It's not really fair that you get to make statements like this for which you provide no evidence.
Willis wasn't close enough to see JFK's head explode and Brehm was with his boy so he just hit the deck, as did the Newmans, Summers, Hill and Moorman, Mumford and others.

In the pic below, the hard-hatted A J Millican is labelled.
To his right are stood 15 people including the Blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons, also labelled.



In the composite picture below, taken from the Weigman film, Millican is labelled.
The majority of people who were stood to his right are now gone.
This image was taken about 6 seconds after the head shot.
Everyone was not stood stunned.
The vast majority of those closest to the head shot either sprinted away or hit the deck.



I hope I have cleared this misconception up for you.