Calvery's location in Darnell supports those 2 guys' being Lovelady and Shelley

[Royell Storing]

  So you are claiming that Calvery went from that far down the sidewalk to the foot of the TSBD in 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot? You have a very serious timeline issue right outta the box.

[Tom Graves]

So you are claiming that Calvery went from that far down the sidewalk to the foot of the TSBD in 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot? You have a very serious timeline issue right outta the box.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Sixty feet is a long distance to cover in 5 to 10 seconds?

Regardless, maybe this will help you.

Scroll down to the second photo in the fourth row.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Bronson%20Gallery

Just in front of the silver-colored convertible, you can see a black "blob" with a light-blue thingy on top.

That back "blob" is Stella Mae Jacob and/or Gloria Jeanne Holt with Sharon Simmons, and the light-blue "thingy" is the light-blue headscarf that Simmons was wearing that day.

You can see the pole for the Stemmons Freeway sign to their left.

Factoid: From this perspective, Gloria Calvery and her group were standing about 10-15 feet to the right of Jacob and her group during the motorcade.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

Dear Comrade Storing,

Sixty feet is a long distance to cover in 5 to 10 seconds?

Regardless, maybe this will help you.

Scroll down to the second photo in the fourth row.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Bronson%20Gallery

Just in front of the silver-colored convertible, you can see a black "blob" with a light-blue thingy on top.

That back "blob" is Stella Mae Jacob and/or Gloria Jeanne Holt with Sharon Simmons, and the light-blue "thingy" is the light-blue headscarf that Simmons was wearing that day.

You can see the pole for the Stemmons Freeway sign to their left.

Factoid: From this perspective, Gloria Calvery and her group were standing about 10-15 feet to the right of Jacob and her group during the motorcade.

-- Tom

   60 feet? That would only be 20 yards. Try half a football field = 150 feet/50 yards. For Calvery to cover half a football field in 25 seconds immediately following the Kill Shot is a very serious timeline issue.

[Tom Graves]

60 feet? That would only be 20 yards. Try half a football field = 150 feet/50 yards. For Calvery to cover half a football field in 25 seconds immediately following the Kill Shot is a very serious timeline issue.

Okay, make it 100 feet.

(I made a mistake the first time I measured it with my makeshift ruler.)

How long do you think it took Calvary to run the 100 feet to the steps?

[Royell Storing]

Okay, make it 100 feet.

(I made a mistake the first time I measured it with my makeshift ruler.)

How long do you think it took Calvary to run the 100 feet to the steps?

  As I said, 1/2 a football field = 150 feet. That is roughly the distance Calvery had to cover in 25 seconds after the Kill Shot. You need to address the Calvery timeline issue before we get into the ID being applied to the BACK of someone.

[Tom Graves]

As I said, 1/2 a football field = 150 feet. That is roughly the distance Calvery had to cover in 25 seconds after the Kill Shot. You need to address the Calvery timeline issue before we get into the ID being applied to the BACK of someone.

Comrade Storing,

As I said, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum website and find the articles that Sandy Larsen and I wrote about Calvery's location during the motorcade and where she was about 25 seconds after the assassination.

Just take it from Sandy and me -- that's big/tall Calvery standing next to her slender, dressed-in-all-white work colleague on the TSBD steps in Couch-Darnell about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Calvery (and her dressed-in-all-white colleague) can even be seen in Betzner-3 standing on the other side of the Secret Service follow-up car just before JFK was shot. Interestingly, JFKA CT/Contrarian John Iacoletti, denying that this woman was Calvery, labeled her "Glasses Woman" until he realized that Calvery always wore big, ugly, black-framed glasses, at which point he started referring to the woman in Betzner-3 (Calvary) by some other moniker.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Betzner%20Gallery

Regardless, I believe we can see Lovelady and Shelley walking/running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot in the Couch-Darnell clip. If I'm right, and if Lovelady and Shelley were telling the truth when they said they left the steps as soon as Calvery told them that JFK had been shot, then it's logical to assume that Calvery covered your 150 feet / 50 yards in about ten seconds (heck, I used to run it in about six) and told Lovelady and Shelley that JFK had been shot, thereby giving them about ten seconds to get almost to your HUGE GATES!!!

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

Comrade Storing,

As I said, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum website and find the articles that Sandy Larsen and I wrote about Calvery's location during the motorcade and where she was about 25 seconds after the assassination.

Just take it from Sandy and me -- that's big/tall Calvery standing next to her slender, dressed-in-all-white work colleague on the TSBD steps in Couch-Darnell about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Calvery (and her dressed-in-all-white colleague) can even be seen in Betzner-3 standing on the other side of the Secret Service follow-up car just before JFK was shot. Interestingly, JFKA CT/Contrarian John Iacoletti, denying that this woman was Calvery, labeled her "Glasses Woman" until he realized that Calvery always wore big, ugly, black-framed glasses, at which point he started referring to the woman in Betzner-3 (Calvary) by some other moniker.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Betzner%20Gallery

Regardless, I believe we can see Lovelady and Shelley walking/running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot in the Couch-Darnell clip. If I'm right, and if Lovelady and Shelley were telling the truth when they said they left the steps as soon as Calvery told them that JFK had been shot, then it's logical to assume that Calvery covered your 150 feet / 50 yards in about ten seconds (heck, I used to run it in about six) and told Lovelady and Shelley that JFK had been shot, thereby giving them about ten seconds to get almost to your HUGE GATES!!!

-- Tom

   I believe you have a better argument questioning the current Darnell Film Snippet timeline vs claiming Calvery traveled 1/2 a football field in only 25 seconds immediately after the Kill Shot.

[Tom Graves]

I believe you have a better argument questioning the current Darnell Film Snippet timeline vs claiming Calvery traveled 1/2 a football field in only 25 seconds immediately after the Kill Shot.

Good Lord.

I used to run 300 feet in 10.8 seconds (Not bad for a big clodhopper like you," my dad said)

Regardless, Calvery probably met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" (Shelley had been best man at her wedding, and he and Lovelady must have seen and heard her as she ran up the street bawling like a dying calf in a thunderstorm).

If so, she obviously continued on her way to the steps when they started heading for the railway yard / parking lot.

Which probably means that Adams and Styles took a lot longer to get to the first floor than they remembered, that they didn't start down until Truly and Baker had finished talking with Oswald, and that and if they saw Lovelady and/or Shelley (or vice versa) when they finally got to the first floor, it must have been after Lovelady and Shelley had returned to the TSBD.