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Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 16, 2026, 02:54:42 PM --- As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car. I had to inform you as to the Harkness 3 Wheeler being in that Nat Geo snippet. And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline. It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission. "That Ain't Haygood"!
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RS: As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car.
I already addressed that, but I guess it hasn't sunk in with you yet. Here's a refresher. Note that Harkness' cycle is facing to the west in the Nat Geo clip. However, when Harkness is carrying Euins to the front of the TSBD, they're headed east. If the Nat Geo clip was taken before Harkness went to the seal off the north side of the TSBD, then it would have been facing east. But it's facing the opposite direction. However, if the clip was taken after Harkness returned to the front of the TSBD after he was relieved on the north side, we'd expect it to be facing west (i.e. Harkness drove the trike southwards down Houston, then a right on to Elm and the space next to Sawyer's car.)
And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline
My timeline for Harnkess doesn't contradict the 12:36 transmission in any way. You just aren't thinking.
It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission.
You can't argue for your own points, nor against mine. All you can do is mindlessly repeat the same unsupported assertions.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 17, 2026, 01:36:58 AM ---RS: As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car.
I already addressed that, but I guess it hasn't sunk in with you yet. Here's a refresher. Note that Harkness' cycle is facing to the west in the Nat Geo clip. However, when Harkness is carrying Euins to the front of the TSBD, they're headed east. If the Nat Geo clip was taken before Harkness went to the seal off the north side of the TSBD, then it would have been facing east. But it's facing the opposite direction. However, if the clip was taken after Harkness returned to the front of the TSBD after he was relieved on the north side, we'd expect it to be facing west (i.e. Harkness drove the trike southwards down Houston, then a right on to Elm and the space next to Sawyer's car.)
And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline
My timeline for Harnkess doesn't contradict the 12:36 transmission in any way. You just aren't thinking.
It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission.
You can't argue for your own points, nor against mine. All you can do is mindlessly repeat the same unsupported assertions.
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The above is hilarious. YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle. Zippo. The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission and his WC Testimony telling us he then helped load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car are FACTS. The stuff your peddling is pure speculation thrown out there AFTER my proving it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34. That Troika image is 12:38. This puts Officer Haygood back at his motorcycle and gives Walthers time to get to the Elm St manhole cover for his 12:39 photo. These are FACTS. That DPD Motorcycle Cop is a fraud.
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 17, 2026, 01:50:46 AM --- The above is hilarious. YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle. Zippo. The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission and his WC Testimony telling us he then helped load Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car are FACTS. The stuff your peddling is pure speculation thrown out there AFTER my proving it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34. That Troika image is 12:38. This puts Officer Haygood back at his motorcycle and gives Walthers time to get to the Elm St manhole cover for his 12:39 photo. These are FACTS. That DPD Motorcycle Cop is a fraud.
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YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle
I have his testimony as to where he went and the sequence in which he did. He also testified that the area west of the TSBD was not the back of building. He testified that, while at the back of the building he encountered someone from the Secret service. Forrest Sorrels testified that he returned to Dealey Plaza as quickly as possible, approaching the building on Houston, and entering the building from the back entrance....which dovetails nicely with Harkness' recollections. Harkness testified that when the relief squad showed up to replace Harkness at the back of the building, he returned to the front. Even the simplest map will show that the easiest route from the truck dock at the rear of the to the front entrance of the building is to drive south on Houston along the East side of the building. This would necessitate a right turn on Elm which would leave Harkness ride facing to the west, as we see it in the Nat Geo footage. We also see in the Martin film that Harkness is driving Euins eastward, which would mean that Harkness would have stopped his cycle facing east, not west. All of these things are "evidence," and I already mentioned it all before. You just ignore it all.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 17, 2026, 06:15:22 AM ---YOU have no evidence as to what Harkness did with his 3 Wheel Motorcycle
I have his testimony as to where he went and the sequence in which he did. He also testified that the area west of the TSBD was not the back of building. He testified that, while at the back of the building he encountered someone from the Secret service. Forrest Sorrels testified that he returned to Dealey Plaza as quickly as possible, approaching the building on Houston, and entering the building from the back entrance....which dovetails nicely with Harkness' recollections. Harkness testified that when the relief squad showed up to replace Harkness at the back of the building, he returned to the front. Even the simplest map will show that the easiest route from the truck dock at the rear of the to the front entrance of the building is to drive south on Houston along the East side of the building. This would necessitate a right turn on Elm which would leave Harkness ride facing to the west, as we see it in the Nat Geo footage. We also see in the Martin film that Harkness is driving Euins eastward, which would mean that Harkness would have stopped his cycle facing east, not west. All of these things are "evidence," and I already mentioned it all before. You just ignore it all.
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The above has absolutely Nothing in quotations and/or sources being cited. The above provides not 1 iota of Proof/Evidence. None. What we see above is the babbling "recollections" of the author. And it is being done in a panic response to my having Proven that it is physically impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM by Darnell.
In response to my having proven that Officer Haygood and Officer Harkness could not be filmed together, we now have: (1) The above ramblings of a man in sheer panic mode, and, (2) a very respected JFK Assassination researcher suddenly claiming that Officer Haygood actually made 2 separate trips deep inside the railroad yard with the 2nd trip being filmed by Darnell.
An MLB pitcher is judged by the reaction of the hitter. I ask that the erratic responses to my evidence based Conspiracy Discovery also be judged in this same manner.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on March 08, 2026, 01:28:01 AM ---RS: I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.
So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?
there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.
Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.
Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:
Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:
Here he is a half step later:
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