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Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 15, 2026, 01:58:41 AM --- How about you just do the research? Your wanting to put the loading of Euins into Sawyer's car at 1:00 tells the tale. You have tied yourself into a Knot. You have absolutely NO IDEA what Harkness did immediately after the kill shot. Otherwise, you would not be trying to NOW put Harkness in that Troika filming at 12:33. Everything you are NOW claiming is a consistent retrofit to try and make your previous claims work. Just do the research. I am currently WAY ahead of you.
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RS: Your wanting to put the loading of Euins into Sawyer's car at 1:00 tells the tale.
I've never said that. In fact, the last time you brought this up I told you that.
You have absolutely NO IDEA what Harkness did immediately after the kill shot.
Harkness was stationed at the corner of Houston and Main, and he was in immediate command of the officers in Dealey Plaza. After the assassination, he and officer King jumped on their trikes and rode all the way to Industrial. Seeing nothing, Harkness returned to Dealey Plaza and wound up in the RR yards. He parked his ride on the dirt road at the eastern RR spur, walked west over to the second spur, then turned around and walked back to his bike, as seen in the Darnell film. at some point shortly after that, he encountered Amos Euins. He took Euins story, wrote it down in a notebook he carried with him, then put Euins on his cycle and the two drove down the Elm St Extension. That ride ended in front of the main entrance of the TSBD. Harkness dismounted, informed Sawyer of what he'd seen and of Euins story. Euins then was settled into the back seat of Sawyer's car. After that, Harkness drove up Houston to the north side of the Depository to seal off the building, at the same time calling the dispatcher for more units to be sent to the scene. He stayed at the north side of the depository until relieved by one of the newly-arriving squads. Then he returned to the front of the TSBD, parking his cycle (facing west) next to Sawyer's car on Elm, as seen in the Nat Geo footage.
Otherwise, you would not be trying to NOW put Harkness in that Troika filming at 12:33.
I asked you, "Why couldn't {the Darnell clip with Harkness} be at some point in 12:33?" A simple question. Your complete lack of functional response to this question, and your attempt to talk around it, speaks volumes about your inability to support your 12:34 assertion.
Everything you are NOW claiming is a consistent retrofit to try and make your previous claims work. Just do the research.
What I'm saying now is basically what I've said from the beginning. If you paid attention and were able to put two and two together you'd have been able to figure that out.
I am currently WAY ahead of you.
The only person you are ahead of is yourself. That's only because you keep getting in your own way and stumbling over yourself.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 14, 2026, 01:39:01 AM ---RS: The Elm Ext is absolutely jammed with people.
Again, In the Darnell film you can see a white car parked on the north side of the Elm Street Extension. That wouldn't happen if the street were "jammed with people" Also, you can see people standing on the sidewalk running along the front of the TSBD. That also wouldn't be possible if the street was full of a crowd. Speaking of which:
RS: You can even see people stretching across it in front of the Huge Gates.
These are the aforementioned people standing on the sidewalk between the TSDB and the north side of Elm. They aren't in the street, ipso facto.
When Martin is filming Harkness driving by with Euins, he's to the east of the area in Darnell where the crowd appears. Because he's filming in an eastward direction, you won't see the Darnell crowd that is standing between the dirt road, the first RR yard spur, and the pergola.
RS: And remember that the Nat Geo piece you are claiming was long after the kill shot, also shows Officer Harkness #99 3 wheel motorcycle sitting alongside Inspector Sawyer's car.
As I've already pointed out, this is much later than the Darnell and Martin film segments in question here. No question after 12:45, and probably more like 1PM, when the DPD shoos the crowd away from in front of the TSBD and actually ropes off the area around the building. That is more than enough time for Harkness to put Euins in Sawyers car, drive to the north side of the TSBD, and return to the front after he was "relieved" by arriving officers.
RS: the Officer Harkness check point.
In the Darnell film, you first see Harkness looking west, then walking back towards his three-wheeler parked near the end of the cyclone fence. Not coincidentally, that's the area where Euins said that he ran into Harkness. Harkness explicitly testified that the area where he met Euins wasn't behind the depository. If that area wasn't behind the TSDB, then his earlier position to the west of his 3-wheeler was also not behind the depository. The Darnell snippet is just before Euins tells Harkness about the rifleman in the window, and Harkness will soon after radio this information to the dispatcher at 12:36
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Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 16, 2026, 04:24:32 AM --- Right there 1:00. Who do you think that cop is talking to inside Sawyer's car on the Nat Geo snippet? He not talking to Morgan Freeman, "Driving Miss Daisy".
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A snip of film showing Euins in the car at 1:00 only means that Euins entered the the car at some point before that snippet was taken. That's all it will tell you. Euins presence in the car in that shot does not tell you how long Euins had been in the car prior. He could have sat down into the warm vinyl seat one minute before or five minutes before or ten minutes before or twenty minutes before. This isn't hard to understand.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on April 16, 2026, 06:22:06 AM ---A snip of film showing Euins in the car at 1:00 only means that Euins entered the the car at some point before that snippet was taken. That's all it will tell you. Euins presence in the car in that shot does not tell you how long Euins had been in the car prior. He could have sat down into the warm vinyl seat one minute before or five minutes before or ten minutes before or twenty minutes before. This isn't hard to understand.
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As usual, you leave out that which You Missed right out of the gate. Officer Harkness's #99 3 Wheel Motorcycle is sitting right there next to Inspector Sawyer's car. I had to inform you as to the Harkness 3 Wheeler being in that Nat Geo snippet. And you're now stuck trying to Mickey Mouse the Harkness Timeline. His documented 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony as to the order he did what he did, gives him a very firm timeline. It is physically impossible for Officer Harkness and Officer Haygood to be filmed together prior to Officer Haygood making his own documented 12:35 radio transmission. "That Ain't Haygood"!
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on March 08, 2026, 01:28:01 AM ---RS: I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.
So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?
there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.
Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.
Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:
Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:
Here he is a half step later:
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