The deformation of CE-399 adds credibility to the SBT

[Dan O'meara]

This is what a bullet looks like that's been fired into a wrist bone:



I'm sure you'll agree, it looks somewhat like CE-399.

Hi Tim, I saw your earlier post with these pics and the link to the work of Martin Fackler but it didn't have those pics there.
Are the two things connected?

DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS

Our purpose was to prove the fallacy in the claim of the "conspiracy theorists" that the human radius near its end could not be perforated by a FMJ bullet without causing that bullet to be deformed. Our results show clearly the fallacy in this claim."

So, the stated purpose of the experiment was to disprove the claims of certain CTers.
Hmmmm...

[Tim Nickerson]

Hi Tim, I saw your earlier post with these pics and the link to the work of Martin Fackler but it didn't have those pics there.
Are the two things connected?

DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS

Our purpose was to prove the fallacy in the claim of the "conspiracy theorists" that the human radius near its end could not be perforated by a FMJ bullet without causing that bullet to be deformed. Our results show clearly the fallacy in this claim."

So, the stated purpose of the experiment was to disprove the claims of certain CTers.
Hmmmm...

That is one of the two bullets that they recovered. Fackler already knew that the human radius near its end could be perforated by a FMJ bullet without causing that bullet to be deformed. The test was just to demonstrate that it could.

[Dan O'meara]

That is one of the two bullets that they recovered. Fackler already knew that the human radius near its end could be perforated by a FMJ bullet without causing that bullet to be deformed. The test was just to demonstrate that it could.

The pictures you've posted of the truly pristine bullet does not appear anywhere in the journal which you provided a link for - https://thinlineweapons.com/IWBA/1995-Vol2No2.pdf

I was just wondering where the pics are from and how they relate to the experiment Fackler carried out as "a useful confirmation of the work done by Dr John Lattimer".

[Tim Nickerson]

The pictures you've posted of the truly pristine bullet does not appear anywhere in the journal which you provided a link for - https://thinlineweapons.com/IWBA/1995-Vol2No2.pdf

I was just wondering where the pics are from and how they relate to the experiment Fackler carried out as "a useful confirmation of the work done by Dr John Lattimer".

I got the composite photo from McAdams' site some years ago. I had thought that Gus Russo had published it in his "Live by the Sword" but that doesn't seem to be the case.

From Fackler's testimony during the 1992 mock trial:

"The bullet actually made a slightly greater hole than the one in Governor Connally's wrist. That's because the experiment bullet was actually going a little faster than the 900 feet [per second] that CE399 was travelling. The test bullet was non-deformed. It was not flattened in the least and had nowhere near the damage of CE399."

[David Von Pein]

Dr. Fackler's 1992 Report....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11_V0fGaOGHupUb_CK0FCpCs1buM-o7e-/view

[David Von Pein]

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[Michael T. Griffith]

Dr. Fackler's 1992 Report....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11_V0fGaOGHupUb_CK0FCpCs1buM-o7e-/view

This is downright comical and is so typical of the phony tests that people like Fackler will conduct to try to salvage the SBT.

First of all, not one of Fackler's test bullets passed through a simulated human neck and then destroyed 5 inches of rib bone while tearing through a simulated human chest before striking the cadaver radius bones. Not one. Let me repeat that so the phony nature of Fackler's test can sink in: Fackler made no effort to simulate a human neck, a human chest, and a rib bone. Not one of his bullets hit anything before they hit the cadaver radius bones. Fackler simply shot cadaver radius bones with bullets whose velocity had been lowered down to 1100-1300 FPS!

Are you kidding me? How can anyone cite this test with a straight face? Did you or any other SBT believer even bother to actually read Fackler's article on his SBT test? How, David, did you miss the fact that none of his test bullets hit anything before hitting the cadaver wrists?

Of course, Fackler rigged the test because he knew full well that if his test bullets first had to transit a human neck and then tear through a human chest and demolish 5 inches of rib bone in the process, the bullets would emerge markedly deformed, just as they did in the AAT test and in Lattimer's test.

I repeat again:

-- In Dr. Dolce's SBT test for the WC, even 6.5 mm FMJ bullets fired into cotton wadding emerged with more deformity than CE 399.

-- In the 1967 CBS test, not one of the 6.5 mm FMJ bullets that merely passed through the 12-inch gelatin block before hitting cadaver wrists never had enough velocity to penetrate the simulated thigh, and some of them never even managed to exit the wrists.

-- In the 1992 AAT SBT test, a 6.5 mm FMJ bullet was fired into two gelatin blocks. The second gelatin block contained animal bones to simulate the shattering of a rib bone and the smashing of a wrist bone. The bullet transited the first gelatin block and penetrated deep into the second block and struck the animal bones. It emerged markedly more deformed than CE 399.

-- In Lattimer's SBT test, one of the test bullets was split at the nose in several places and was markedly deformed, much more deformed than CE 399, and this wasn't even one of the bullets that struck all three simulation objects! Lattimer threw away all the bullets that hit all three simulation objects. Gee, I wonder why.