The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

[Richard Smith]

Oh dear - you believe I came on the forum not thinking my ideas would be challenged!! It is absolutely why I came on the forum -to challenge and be challenged, but hopefully with a level of decorum. I am not going to call what you believe 'nonsense' - just misjudged or misinformed in my opinion. 'Nonsense' are conspiracy theories with no basis in fact such as the 'fake' moon landings or the flat earth. We all share the same passion to find the truth about the assassination, but our ideas differ because there are so many holes in the information available. We are all seeking to 'fill the gaps' with our own ideas, very many that are plausible if not conclusive. Debate is healthy and helpful and I hope it can continue to be friendly and informative.

We have only a finite number of years here on Earth.  Will you be getting around to your evidence soon?  I've seen a lot of generalization and editorializing but not much in the way of specifics.

[Dan O'meara]

I believe Rowland is describing the same man as Fischer, Edwards and Brennan and he describes a shirt open at the collar.
I believe the witnesses would know the difference between a t-shirt and a shirt.

Knowing the difference and being able to testify whether or not it was one or the other are two different things.


Mr. FISCHER - He was in the---as you're looking toward that window, he was in the lower right portion of the window. He seemed to be sitting a little forward.
And he had--he had on an open-neck shirt, but it-uh--could have been a sport shirt or a T-shirt. It was light in color; probably white, I couldn't tell whether it had long sleeves or whether it was a short-sleeved shirt, but it was open-neck and light in color.


Just for fun, Google "Open Neck Shirt".
See if anyone else agrees with your suspect assertion that this refers to a t-shirt (spoiler alert - the dozens of images that come up have shirts open at the collar. Looks like it's only you).

No, Ronald B. Fischer was an eye witness and I have posted his testimony regarding this question. It isn't only me.

Obviously, you didn't Google "Open Neck Shirt".
You appear to be the only person on the planet who believes it can refer to a t-shirt.

[Charles Collins]

Obviously, you didn't Google "Open Neck Shirt".
You appear to be the only person on the planet who believes it can refer to a t-shirt.

I think that it is more like that you are the only person in the universe who believes it can’t.

[Royell Storing]

Obviously, you didn't Google "Open Neck Shirt".
You appear to be the only person on the planet who believes it can refer to a t-shirt.

   I would be #2 in believing that everybody knows the difference between an "Open Neck Shirt" and a "T-Shirt". This is what we get when people try to manipulate Eyewitness Testimony. A Square Peg being jammed into a Round Hole. It does Not work. Never has.

[Dan O'meara]

I think that it is more like that you are the only person in the universe who believes it can’t.

 
Your desperation knows no bounds.
You are actually willing to blow your whole argument out of the water to try and score a point!
It is such a LNer trait.

What did you find when you Googled "Open Neck Shirt"?
Did you see, like i did, dozens and dozens of images of shirts WITH A COLLAR and not a single image of the classic crew neck t-shirt Oswald was wearing?
Be honest now, because anyone can Google it.



Oswald was wearing a classic crew-cut t-shirt. The four eye-witnesses below are not describing such a garment.
They are describing something Oswald was not wearing that day and did not possess.
It is really strong circumstantial evidence that the shooter was not Oswald.

"He had on a light shirt, a very light-colored shirt, white or a light blue or a color such as that. This was open at the collar. I think it was unbuttoned about halfway and then he had a regular t-shirt...under this..."   Arnold Rowland

"And he had-he had on an open-neck shirt...It was light in color: probably white, I couldn’t tell whether it had long sleeves or whether it was a short-sleeved shirt, but it was open-neck and light in color."    Ronald Fischer

"Light colored shirt, short sleeve and open neck"  Robert Edwards

"I mean other than light color - not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side"   Howard Brennan

You are free to believe whatever you need to, Charles.

[Charles Collins]

Your desperation knows no bounds.
You are actually willing to blow your whole argument out of the water to try and score a point!
It is such a LNer trait.

What did you find when you Googled "Open Neck Shirt"?
Did you see, like i did, dozens and dozens of images of shirts WITH A COLLAR and not a single image of the classic crew neck t-shirt Oswald was wearing?
Be honest now, because anyone can Google it.



Oswald was wearing a classic crew-cut t-shirt. The four eye-witnesses below are not describing such a garment.
They are describing something Oswald was not wearing that day and did not possess.
It is really strong circumstantial evidence that the shooter was not Oswald.

"He had on a light shirt, a very light-colored shirt, white or a light blue or a color such as that. This was open at the collar. I think it was unbuttoned about halfway and then he had a regular t-shirt...under this..."   Arnold Rowland

"And he had-he had on an open-neck shirt...It was light in color: probably white, I couldn’t tell whether it had long sleeves or whether it was a short-sleeved shirt, but it was open-neck and light in color."    Ronald Fischer

"Light colored shirt, short sleeve and open neck"  Robert Edwards

"I mean other than light color - not a real white shirt, in other words. If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side"   Howard Brennan

You are free to believe whatever you need to, Charles.

None of the witnesses said anything about a collar. A t-shirt can be considered an open-neck shirt (if it is open around the neck, which LHO’s shirt obviously is). I believe they are all describing LHO and his dingy white open neck shirt, as can be seen in the photo below. It might technically be considered a crew neck (versus a V-neck) shirt. However it is a bit oversized; plus the neck area most definitely appears to be open. It looks dingy and worn out and the elasticity around the neck area appears to have worn out also. This leaves the neck area significantly more open than if the shirt was newer. Hence, the open-necked shirt descriptions.

I have worn open-neck undershirts (V-neck t-shirts) practically my entire adult life. I have also done my own laundry practically my entire adult life. So, I know first hand how they can get dingy (if not whitened regularly) and the neck area will become “relaxed” over time. When it comes to the witness descriptions, the appearance of an open-neck shirt (as seen in the photo below) is what matters. How the shirt would have appeared when it was newer is irrevelevant.

Believe whatever you wish. But the idea that LHO didn’t own a shirt like the one in the witness descriptions is nonsense.

[Royell Storing]

 A "T-Shirt" is Not an "open neck shirt".  Same goes for a "Wife Beater". Both are NOT "open neck shirts". An "open neck shirt" is the same thing as a "button up" shirt.  A "pull over" would be as close to an "open neck" shirt as you can get. A "pull over" is not a "T-Shirt".