Toni Glover

[Lance Payette]

Forget all the above. I've done a 180. What Toni Glover needs is an agent. That would be me. We're flushing "Girl in Blue." That title is going nowhere fast. It's now "Crime Kid: How My 11-Year-Old Brain Solved the Murder of JFK." Nice, yes? A sequel, "Amos Lee Euins: Punk Liar," is in the works (that's just a tentative title - we'll bounce it off a couple of focus groups). Forget the freebie interviews, Sixth Floor Museum and others. All requests to interview Ms. Glover now go through me, and they won't be free. We're working with the City of Dallas and Oliver Stone to have the Glover Pedestal of Freedom designated a National Historical Site with a highly realistic AI robot Toni on top. That's all the Glover news for now, but stay tuned. Moving on to finalizing the agency contract with Dentist Don and Edna, but they're tough customers. Nobody - NOBODY - whacks me down to a 3% fee, Dentist Don, as you're about to learn.

[Royell Storing]

Forget all the above. I've done a 180. What Toni Glover needs is an agent. That would be me. We're flushing "Girl in Blue." That title is going nowhere fast. It's now "Crime Kid: How My 11-Year-Old Brain Solved the Murder of JFK." Nice, yes? A sequel, "Amos Lee Euins: Punk Liar," is in the works (that's just a tentative title - we'll bounce it off a couple of focus groups). Forget the freebie interviews, Sixth Floor Museum and others. All requests to interview Ms. Glover now go through me, and they won't be free. We're working with the City of Dallas and Oliver Stone to have the Glover Pedestal of Freedom designated a National Historical Site with a highly realistic AI robot Toni on top. That's all the Glover news for now, but stay tuned. Moving on to finalizing the agency contract with Dentist Don and Edna, but they're tough customers. Nobody - NOBODY - whacks me down to a 3% fee, Dentist Don, as you're about to learn.

   You are doing this Forum a disservice. Here we have an actual 11/22/63 eyewitness that is actively participating in a discussion on this Forum, and what do you do? You attack her. This is why actively instrumental figures in the JFK Assassination such as Gary Mack bailed out around here. Discussion is a very good thing. Discussion involving individual(s) that were actually eyewitnesses to the assassination is invaluable. Put away the meat cleaver and if necessary employ a gag. You are not cute, and not helping solve this case. 

[Charles Collins]

   You are doing this Forum a disservice. Here we have an actual 11/22/63 eyewitness that is actively participating in a discussion on this Forum, and what do you do? You attack her. This is why actively instrumental figures in the JFK Assassination such as Gary Mack bailed out around here. Discussion is a very good thing. Discussion involving individual(s) that were actually eyewitnesses to the assassination is invaluable. Put away the meat cleaver and if necessary employ a gag. You are not cute, and not helping solve this case.

I agree. Having Toni Glover here is a real treat. I try to encourage her participation. Why Lance is behaving like he is towards her is a mystery to me.   

[Toni Glover]

Okay. It does not hurt my feelings when someone doesn't believe what I remember. Could I be wrong about Euins and his position regarding the pedestal? Absolutely. Could he have made every move he claims to? Absolutely.
Here is why I don't think he was there. Immediately after the shots, I turned to see how Mom and I could get down. I looked down and there was a man standing next to the pedestal who wouldn't move to let us down. So, I looked around the base of the pedestal to figure out how to get down. So, I actually stopped and looked down at the people around the pedestal and do not remember seeing a black man or kid around the base.We ended up having to use the stone "fence" attached to the pedestal to get down. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But that's what I remember. I specifically looked around the base, and I do not remember seeing Euins. He could have run over the second I looked away.

As for the time between the assassination and the time I came forward. We did not come forward immediately because we didn't think we knew or saw anything that would help police. I did not talk to historians for 30 years, but Mom and I talked about it with family and friends many, many times. So it wasn't a memory that sat decaying for 30 years and then, "Hey everybody, look at me. I was there." Look at me, don't look time, believe me, don't believe me. That is your decision. I try to answer questions the best I can. That's all I can do. The rest is up to each of you.

[Royell Storing]

  Toni - Thanks for participating on this Forum, and thanks for going over in detail You and your Mom's dismounting from the Glover Pedestal. Almost everybody here appreciates it. We have people that prefer to only "view", so the audience here is larger than those that choose to post.  Thanks again, and I will be looking for your book release.

[Lance Payette]

I agree. Having Toni Glover here is a real treat. I try to encourage her participation. Why Lance is behaving like he is towards her is a mystery to me.   

Simple:

1. I'm incorrigible.

2. The lovely and talented Ms. Glover has precisely nothing to add to the JFKA equation, as should be clear by now.

3. Any witness who surfaces after 30 years or more can expect to be viewed with a large grain of salt and to be mercilessly cross-examined, not coddled. Just from what I have shown, the lovely and talented Ms. Glover would be reamed, steamed, sliced, diced, and reduced to tearful rubble on actual cross-examination if her testimony were "Amos Lee Euins wasn't there." It's clear from her latest post that her testimony would not be this definitive.

4. Apart from #'s 1-3 above, this, like the Saga of Dentist Don, is yet another example of CT enthusiasts latching onto something that is completely inconsequential even if true and magnifying it into a veritable Conspiracy Factoid. Euins wasn't where he said he was! He couldn't have seen what he said he saw! Oswald is innocent! Really, ya think - all because some 11-year-old kid who surfaced 30 years later doesn't recall seeing him? If Euins was actually having a cheeseburger at Keller's Drive-In, how would this change anything?

I have nothing against the lovely and talented Ms. G. She's enjoying and milking her moment in the sun like all the rest. Certainly, she should be welcome here, but subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

Actually, I believe Ms. G and think poor old Euins was probably at the other pedestal (henceforth the Euins Pedestal of Infamy) to the left of Howard Brennan. In his obsessive quest to demolish Max Holland and the "Lost Bullet," Dale Myers goes through Euins' story in great depth (charitably describing him as "malleable"): https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/. When you view WC Exhibit 365 with Euins' markings (at Myers' site), it is a bit disorienting. Pat Speer identifies Euins sitting on the pedestal opposite Glover, and my guess would be that Euins simply got turned around. Good Lord, he was a 15-year-old Black kid suddenly caught up in the event of the century, and no one seems to have been as obsessively concerned as modern CTers with EXACTLY where he was standing. If his story has morphed over the years - well, hey, join the club, Amos Lee. More to the point, as set forth in #4 above, WHO CARES?

With that, my response is as it always is when my little contributions are deemed offensive: Oh, boo-hoo. Grow up. Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better. Too bad David Lifton isn't around to read them.

[Charles Collins]

Simple:

1. I'm incorrigible.

2. The lovely and talented Ms. Glover has precisely nothing to add to the JFKA equation, as should be clear by now.

3. Any witness who surfaces after 30 years or more can expect to be viewed with a large grain of salt and to be mercilessly cross-examined, not coddled. Just from what I have shown, the lovely and talented Ms. Glover would be reamed, steamed, sliced, diced, and reduced to tearful rubble on actual cross-examination if her testimony were "Amos Lee Euins wasn't there." It's clear from her latest post that her testimony would not be this definitive.

4. Apart from #'s 1-3 above, this, like the Saga of Dentist Don, is yet another example of CT enthusiasts latching onto something that is completely inconsequential even if true and magnifying it into a veritable Conspiracy Factoid. Euins wasn't where he said he was! He couldn't have seen what he said he saw! Oswald is innocent! Really, ya think - all because some 11-year-old kid who surfaced 30 years later doesn't recall seeing him? If Euins was actually having a cheeseburger at Keller's Drive-In, how would this change anything?

I have nothing against the lovely and talented Ms. G. She's enjoying and milking her moment in the sun like all the rest. Certainly, she should be welcome here, but subject to the same scrutiny as anyone else.

Actually, I believe Ms. G and think poor old Euins was probably at the other pedestal (henceforth the Euins Pedestal of Infamy) to the left of Howard Brennan. In his obsessive quest to demolish Max Holland and the "Lost Bullet," Dale Myers goes through Euins' story in great depth (charitably describing him as "malleable"): https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/. When you view WC Exhibit 365 with Euins' markings (at Myers' site), it is a bit disorienting. Pat Speer identifies Euins sitting on the pedestal opposite Glover, and my guess would be that Euins simply got turned around. Good Lord, he was a 15-year-old Black kid suddenly caught up in the event of the century, and no one seems to have been as obsessively concerned as modern CTers with EXACTLY where he was standing. If his story has morphed over the years - well, hey, join the club, Amos Lee. More to the point, as set forth in #4 above, WHO CARES?

With that, my response is as it always is when my little contributions are deemed offensive: Oh, boo-hoo. Grow up. Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better. Too bad David Lifton isn't around to read them.

Seriously, I welcome Toni Glover and look forward to her contributions getting better and better.


Then, I suggest trying to make her feel comfortable here. Question her all you wish. Attempting to belittle her just because you have some preconceived ideas is ridiculous.