Toni Glover

[Lance Payette]

Devil's Advocate Rhetorical Question: Would Euins have been able to see the Sniper's Nest window if Glover and her mother had been standing on the pedestal at the time?

If he was the guy Pat Speer identifies as him, then absolutely yes.

I am not really a Euins aficionado, Dentist Don and sock puppets being my areas of specialized expertise. I just find it comical that the fact that a 60-something woman doesn't remember seeing Euins when she was 11 would carry any weight with anyone.

FWIW, I pulled up a bunch of 11-22-63 crowd photos in Dealey Plaza and along the motorcade route. There were plenty of Black faces.

[Royell Storing]

The Glover Pedestal? Is there a plaque there now? I want to tread lightly, because I don't want to appear to be engaging in character assassination of Toni Glover. The fact is, Amos Lee Euins told his story the day of the JFKA, was interviewed twice by the FBI, and testified to the WC. Yes, he wasn't 100% consistent, but after all that I find it difficult to believe a 15-year-old Black kid was telling whoppers about where he was. Toni Glover says nothing until the mid-1990s, 30 years after the JFKA, surfaces in a much larger way around the 50th anniversary (including appearing at the Lancer conference), is now writing or has written a book about being "The Girl in Blue." and is doing her third interview for the Sixth Floor Museum and clearly enjoying her moment in the sun. She "directly refutes" Euins' account with "memories" that are 50 or more years old and relate to a moment in time when she was 11 years old. Her assertion that she would have noticed and recalled Euins if he'd been there seems highly unlikely to me. There were some 72,000 Blacks in Dallas in 1963; they weren't exactly scarce. Yes, if I were on a jury I would be an extremely tough sell for Glover's "memories" having any bearing at all on where Euins actually was. On this point, what she says about Euins amounts to no more than "Hey, I was an 11-year-old kid at the time and 30-50 years later I have no recollection of him." OK, whoop-de-doo.

  Come on now. She's standing on that pedestal with her Mom. They both had to climb Down from that pedestal. And you do not think she would notice a Kid squatted down below her, scrunched up against this same pedestal? Just because she was 11 yrs old does Not make her a "ding bat", Archie.

[Charles Collins]

It contradicts Euin's story, as told by him in "JFK: The Lost Bullet" (which you can watch with your very own eyes), as to how he walked down the sidewalk and crouched behind the pedestal.

I believe I already acknowledged the contradiction by stating that I think he might have had a faulty memory.

[Lance Payette]

It contradicts Euin's story, as told by him in "JFK: The Lost Bullet" (which you can watch with your very own eyes), as to how he walked down the sidewalk and crouched behind the pedestal.

But that's Dale Myers' whole point in the article I linked, which is about "The Lost Bullet." https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/ As with Glover, I'm really not interested in what Euins said in 2011 when he was filming a documentary with Max Holland and National Geographic. Or at least I'm much less interested than what he said in 1963-64. Apparently, Euins is still living in Mesquite, TX. Let's track him down and waterboard him 'til he fesses up. Maybe we can take Glover along and see if it jogs her memory.

[Lance Payette]

  Come on now. She's standing on that pedestal with her Mom. They both had to climb Down from that pedestal. And you do not think she would notice a Kid squatted down below her, scrunched up against this same pedestal? Just because she was 11 yrs old does Not make her a "ding bat", Archie.

From a 2012 exchange with Don Roberdeau, as reported by Pat Speer:

"Mom died in 1996. In fact it was her death that made me start thinking I needed to contact someone at the Museum. The thing she talked about most was the guy who wouldn't let us down. Geez it's hard for me to remember what she wore. I know I tried to get her up on the pedestal, but it was high. At one point when we were waiting, we both sat on the stone fence. But that was long before anything happened. I want to say that's mom next to me, but I can't be sure. Logically, it would have been odd for her to lose all dignity and climb up there. But it looks like her coat in Dorman. The woman could definitely be my mom. It looks like I hug her as the limo turns onto Elm. The top of the pedestal is slanted, very slightly from the edge to the center. That made it a little tricky not to fall off. I was probably trying to steady whoever is up there. That's the best I can do unless I find a family picture of her in that coat. I'll tell my sisters to go through some family albums."

Sound like a great witness, ladies and gentlemen of the jury?

At least where Pat Speer places Euins, he was not scrunched up beneath the Glover Pedestal of Freedom. You're confusing him with Dentist Don, who was scrunched up inside Glover's mother's coat.

[Royell Storing]

  A while back, I read an interview that the HSCA did with Euins. At that time he was asked about his claiming to have had a camera with him that day. He said he didn't know what happened to the camera amidst all the confusion on 11/22/63. So this "Whopper" stuff just might have legs.

[Tom Graves]

But that's Dale Myers' whole point in the article I linked, which is about "The Lost Bullet." https://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2012/01/ As with Glover, I'm really not interested in what Euins said in 2011 when he was filming a documentary with Max Holland and National Geographic. Or at least I'm much less interested than what he said in 1963-64. Apparently, Euins is still living in Mesquite, TX. Let's track him down and waterboard him 'til he fesses up. Maybe we can take Glover along and see if it jogs her memory.

If Toni Glover and her mother were standing on the pedestal during the shooting (I believe that they were), and if, during the shooting, Amos Euins crouched behind said pedestal for "cover," would he have been able to see the "pipe" sticking out of the Sniper's Nest window by either looking through the gaps between their legs or by craning his neck around them?