Walk me through this, curtain rod fans

[John Iacoletti]

I absolutely do not start with any preset conclusion that the package contained the rifle. I would LOVE IT if curtain rods were the answer! Then we could have a fascinating discussion as to whether this would preclude Oswald from being the assassin (I think not) or was just a clever well-planned alibi.

Careful, you're revealing your bias here.

Or we could have a fascinating discussion about exactly how "I don't believe it was curtain rods" is the same as "shot the president".

[John Iacoletti]

You finally went there. The "I don't waste my time" ploy, which is typically understood to mean "I can't answer your arguments in a substantive way."

This is the same Lance Payette who puts people on his "ignore list" when he can't answer their arguments in a substantive way, but pretends it's because he's "bored".

[John Iacoletti]

With the .303 rifle, clip and ammunition at his sister's house, I'm not sure it's accurate to say he "has absolutely nothing to worry about and no reason to lie" a mere week after the assassination. I would agree that by the time of the WC, he could have played ball and said "Oh, I don't know, maybe it was longer than I thought and maybe it was protruding when I saw him carrying it." But he didn't, which is why I'm willing to chalk up his observations to an innocent eyewitness mistake.

Or maybe it was as short as he thought and it was not protruding and it was not a mistake.

See the bias at work here?

[John Iacoletti]

This is quite mind-blowing. I admit I'm not entirely sober at the moment, but I can find NOTHING except Frazier's description of this incident. Did Fritz, Stovall, Rose or anyone else discuss this incident at all??? Is there any reasonably contemporaneous documentation of it? Frazier seems entirely too unsophisticated and folksy to have invented it, but then any number of UFO hoaxers have seemed too unsophisticated and folksy to pull off the hoaxes they did. It isn't even touched upon in Frazier's WC testimony.

You think a cop is going to admit attempting to bully somebody into signing a false confession with the threat of physical violence?

[John Iacoletti]

LHO’s prints on the bag (CE142) seem to me to support the idea that LHO carried the package into the TSBD with the right hand palm print (CE636) on the bottom of the package (per BWF) and the left hand index finger (CE633) elsewhere on the package. At this point in time I am not sure exactly where on the bag the left index finger print was located CE633. If anyone has that information handy please let us know. I can see the photo that shows the portion of the package that the fingerprint was found on. But I do not know what section of the overall package that section is from.

Pat Speer has a good discussion of the details here.

https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-4d-the-myth-of-fingerprints-and-the-fingerprints-of-myth

[John Iacoletti]

At the London trial I asked Frazier, “So the bag could have been protruding out in front of his body and you wouldn’t have been able to see it?” and he responded, “That’s true” (Transcript of On Trial, July 23, 1986, p.35).[/i]

Sleazy lawyer trick.

In order to not be visible above the shoulder, it would need to "protrude" forward at a 45 degree angle.

[John Iacoletti]

What are you talking about? Oswald provably owned the rifle, Oswald's relatively fresh prints were all over the sniper's nest, Oswald's prints were on the rifle and Oswald's arrest shirt matched fibers found on the rifle and while not conclusive the prohibitive probability was that the rifle fibers came from Oswald's shirt.

"provably".  LOL.
"relatively fresh". LOL.
"on the rifle". LOL.
"matched". LOL.
"prohibitive probability". LOL.

[John Iacoletti]

Seriously?, the estimates of the length of the bag by both Frazier and his sister were well over 24 inches

Mr. FRAZIER - If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.