Strictly FWIW, but kind of interesting

[Lance Payette]

I happened to play golf today with a guy who is the ultimate real deal.

Degree in Explosives Engineering ... 23 years as a sniper ... served with Delta Force, Counterterrorism Operations and Special Forces ... was part of every major counterterrorism operation over the past 30 years with the exception of the killing of Bin Laden ... retired as a counterterrorism instructor ... now lives mostly in Jordan but continues to provide counterterrorism instruction as needed.

Once we knew each other a bit, I said in kind of a lighthearted way that I participate in online communities where many folks are JFKA conspiracy theorists and 9/11 Truthers. I got only the briefest of responses, but they weren't what I was expecting:

"I could've made those shots with my sniper rifle, no problem. With the rifle that supposedly made those shots, NO WAY."

"My degree and my expertise are in Explosives Engineering. I know of no way a building can collapse like that EXCEPT IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION."

Just one man's opinion, of course, but a pretty well-informed opinion. He wasn't off in any conspiracy ozone by any means and agreed it would be difficult to believe the 9/11 Truthers' claims, yet he couldn't deny what his eyes and his expertise seemed to tell him.

[Tim Nickerson]

"I could've made those shots with my sniper rifle, no problem. With the rifle that supposedly made those shots, NO WAY."

Just to stay on topic here, what exactly were "those shots" that he referred to?

[Tim Nickerson]

Degree in Explosives Engineering ... 23 years as a sniper ... served with Delta Force, Counterterrorism Operations and Special Forces ... was part of every major counterterrorism operation over the past 30 years with the exception of the killing of Bin Laden ... retired as a counterterrorism instructor ... now lives mostly in Jordan but continues to provide counterterrorism instruction as needed.

He has a degree in Explosives Engineering. What experience does he have in bringing down skyscrapers by explosive demolition? You didn't happen to ask him perchance?

[Lance Payette]

What I have said here is the sum total of my conversations with him about the JFKA and 9/11. He was definitely the real deal; his wife, a Jordanian lawyer, was with him. I have no idea how much he actually knows or cares about the JFKA or 9/11. I was simply surprised that his responses were so different from what I had expected. The way I introduced the topic kind of invited the response, "Yeah, those wacky CTers and 9/11 Truthers are nuts." As I said, "Strictly FWIW."

[John Mytton]

"My degree and my expertise are in Explosives Engineering. I know of no way a building can collapse like that EXCEPT IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION."

I've looked into the building collapses and the logistics of planting the explosives would be practically impossible, but that doesn't stop people like Neidernut with his degrees and knowledge of civil engineering, chemical engineering, mechanical engineering, thermodynamics, physics, etc etc... Gee whiz that Harvard Education was all encompassing!
But the reality in Building 7 is besides the heavy fires and severe structural damage caused by the earlier collapses, is that just before Building 7 collapses there is not one tell tale of an audible explosion of what is needed in a genuine controlled demolition. In the following video of multiple angles of the Building 7 collapse some of the footage is accompanied by sound and the most striking feature is in the period directly before is the eerie silence.

And as for the WTC 1/2 collapses, to me they don't look very controlled and as Neidernut likes to guess, that the windows being blown just ahead of the collapsing floors is the result of explosives, which in reality is just the air pressure escaping as the inside air of the building is severely compressed and looking for a way out. And again just before the demolition of the twin towers, there would be massive explosions but all I can here is the sounds of the buildings collapsing.

In the seconds preceding the collapse, the weakened structure drastically bows inwards as the top floors collapse into the floors below and on and on it goes till the building was demolished.





BTW, there was no thermite or even nanothermite particles discovered at the scene, the only samples of microscopic red chips which I don't believe have been properly analysed, came from some Kooks!   

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

I've looked into the building collapses and the logistics of planting the explosives would be practically impossible, but that doesn't stop people like Neidernut with his degrees and knowledge of civil engineering, chemical engineering, mechanical engineering, thermodynamics, physics, etc etc... Gee whiz that Harvard Education was all encompassing!

I think I was the one who originally started referring to him as Niedernut as long as I could get away with it, but I was finally admonished about not playing with members' names (which didn't stop Di Eugenio from referring to me as "Lancie," as though that were somehow clever). If someone had told me he would one day be an Ed Forum moderator, I simply would not have believed it. Proof indeed that Harvard-educated psychologists can be wackier than ordinary mortals, but I've said basically the same thing 100 times about lawyers - a law license is no guarantee of anything, including minimal legal competence. In fact, one of my roles was once the involuntary commitment of people who were seriously mentally ill. By statute, I needed the testimony of two licensed psychologists or psychiatrists. When I took over the case load, my predecessor said, "Wait 'til you meet the psychiatrists - they're crazier than the patients!" Yep.

This was strictly a FWIW post because I was surprised that someone of his background gave me responses 180 degrees from what I had expected. He did agree with me on the 11th green that a controlled demolition "makes no sense," but he likewise didn't back off on saying he'd never seen a building collapse in that manner except in a controlled demolition.

[Tom Graves]

I happened to play golf today with a guy who is the ultimate real deal.

Degree in Explosives Engineering ... 23 years as a sniper ... served with Delta Force, Counterterrorism Operations and Special Forces ... was part of every major counterterrorism operation over the past 30 years with the exception of the killing of Bin Laden ... retired as a counterterrorism instructor ... now lives mostly in Jordan but continues to provide counterterrorism instruction as needed.

Once we knew each other a bit, I said in kind of a lighthearted way that I participate in online communities where many folks are JFKA conspiracy theorists and 9/11 Truthers. I got only the briefest of responses, but they weren't what I was expecting:

"I could've made those shots with my sniper rifle, no problem. With the rifle that supposedly made those shots, NO WAY."

"My degree and my expertise are in Explosives Engineering. I know of no way a building can collapse like that EXCEPT IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION."

Just one man's opinion, of course, but a pretty well-informed opinion. He wasn't off in any conspiracy ozone by any means and agreed it would be difficult to believe the 9/11 Truthers' claims, yet he couldn't deny what his eyes and his expertise seemed to tell him.

He probably doesn't realize the capability of Oswald's short-rifle, the short distance of the shots, and the fact that Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

[Charles Collins]

My guess is that this person is an equipment snob.**  And that he is just repeating the misguided opinions of some CT authors regarding the capabilities of the Carcano rifle. I think that he would be surprised to learn the following test results:


A more appropriate analogy would be the 100-yard test done by Robert Frazier after attempting to zero the scope at that distance. If we average the size of the four groups of 3-shots per group, we have an average group of 3.69-inches in diameter. Since 1-inch equals 1-MOA at 100-yards we have an average 3.69-MOA size group at 100-yards. That indicates that it is a pretty precise rifle. Especially so for a surplus WW-II era rifle. And even more so considering that these shots were fired as fast as possible with accuracy being a lower priority than speed.


**Reading the autobiography, and other works, of Chris Kyle (American Sniper) we learn that the shooting equipment they use is typically some of the finest available. Chris’ longest confirmed kill was at a distance of about 1600-yards (just under a mile). The average distance of his kills was about 400-yards. Dealey Plaza shots were less than 100-yards (~265-feet for the longest). The Carcano rifle was more than capable of those shots.