Two Wallets? Nope.

[Lance Payette]

The swami makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations.

The swami observes that Weidmann beer has been part of United Dutch Breweries since 2002: https://www.uniteddutchbreweries.com/project/weidmann/#PILSENER

The swami observes that the Weidmann site itself is "powered by United Dutch Breweries": https://www.weidmannbier.com/

The swami observes that he is indeed rather much familiar with GMT and even GMT +1 since he has close relatives in France. The swami merely observes the correlation between the "Arjan Hut the Dutch poet" time zone (to wit, GMT +1) and the "mysterious Martin from Europe" time zone (to wit, GMT +1) and the curious fact that Weidmann beer is distributed by United Dutch Breweries.

The swami merely observes these things. He makes no accusations.

Because the swami is a sucker for Dutch poems about potatoes, he offers below Arjan Hut reciting one of the poems that made him famous. The swami observes that he has difficulty picturing this gentleman as a venom-spewing sock puppet on a JFKA forum, but on the other hand this gentleman does indeed claim a strong interest in the JFKA and is, unless there are two Arjan Huts with this interest, the Administrator of the obscure 11-member JFKA forum.

The swami makes no accusations. He merely observes that this is all rather curious.

[Martin Weidmann]

The swami makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations.

The swami observes that Weidmann beer has been part of United Dutch Breweries since 2002: https://www.uniteddutchbreweries.com/project/weidmann/#PILSENER

The swami observes that the Weidmann site itself is "powered by United Dutch Breweries": https://www.weidmannbier.com/

The swami observes that he is indeed rather much familiar with GMT and even GMT +1 since he has close relatives in France. The swami merely observes the correlation between the "Arjan Hut the Dutch poet" time zone (to wit, GMT +1) and the "mysterious Martin from Europe" time zone (to wit, GMT +1) and the curious fact that Weidmann beer is distributed by United Dutch Breweries.

The swami merely observes these things. He makes no accusations.

Because the swami is a sucker for Dutch poems about potatoes, he offers below Arjan Hut reciting one of the poems that made him famous. The swami observes that he has difficulty picturing this gentleman as a venom-spewing sock puppet on a JFKA forum, but on the other hand this gentleman does indeed claim a strong interest in the JFKA and is, unless there are two Arjan Huts with this interest, the Administrator of the obscure 11-member JFKA forum.

The swami makes no accusations. He merely observes that this is all rather curious.

The swami makes no accusations. The swami makes only observations.

And they are really stupid.

The swami observes that Weidmann beer has been part of United Dutch Breweries since 2002: https://www.uniteddutchbreweries.com/project/weidmann/#PILSENER

The swami observes that the Weidmann site itself is "powered by United Dutch Breweries": https://www.weidmannbier.com/

So, in 2002 a multinational buys a German brewery, founded in 1538, and suddenly it's a brewery in the Netherlands? Oh boy, don't embarrass yourself any further....

The swami observes that he is indeed rather much familiar with GMT and even GMT +1 since he has close relatives in France.

Of course, that's why you called it the "one-hour-east-of-the-UK time zone" which nobody else does....   

since he has close relatives in France.

Yeah, right.... HAHAHAHAHAHA

The swami merely observes these things. He makes no accusations.

Indeed, all he does is make stupid remarks that expose his ignorance

Because the swami is a sucker for Dutch poems about potatoes,

Als jij Nederlandse gedichten zo leuk vind, dan begrijp je dit zonder dat je een vertaalprogramma nodig hebt. Dit is wat er gebeurd als je te maken hebt met iemand die minimaal zes spraken meer beheerst dan jou!

The swami observes that he has difficulty picturing this gentleman as a venom-spewing sock puppet on a JFKA forum, but on the other hand this gentleman does indeed claim a strong interest in the JFKA and is, unless there are two Arjan Huts with this interest, the Administrator of the obscure 11-member JFKA forum.

Wow, why not simply ask him in Fries? You know what Friesland is, right?

 

[Martin Weidmann]

Hahahaha!

It's pretty obvious that Martin likes a little drinkypoo when he's posting but 2.5% alcohol, yikes!

JohnM

Actually, Martin prefers Soberano.

[John Mytton]

This little exchange is almost a textbook lesson in Conspiracy Think.

First, let’s ask an epistemological question: What is the likelihood that Lee Harvey Oswald, after having been arrested at the Texas Theater and brought to the Dallas Police headquarters, would still have a wallet, loose ID cards or anything else on him? Zero? Yes, that sounds about right.

Next, we note the following in Stovall’s Warren Commission testimony, just in the brief part where he is addressing his participation in the interrogation of Oswald:

          “I don’t recall exactly …”
          “as well as I remember …”
          “as well as I remember …”
          “I’m not positive on that …”
          “I’m not sure …”

Hmmm. In Conspiracy Think, of course, a witness’s admission that he didn’t pay much attention or really doesn’t recall is irrelevant. He is forever locked into whatever he said.

When Rose testified to the Warren Commission, he did not say that he found Oswald’s wallet on him. He said Oswald “had already been searched” and “someone had his billfold.” He “wasn’t sure” whether it was “the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.” He agreed the contents of Oswald’s wallet were “before him.”

The only confusing part is where Rose is asked, “And then you found two or three cards on him?” and answers, “Yes, we did.” This is immediately before he is asked whether he searched Oswald and answers that Oswald had already been searched, that someone had his wallet, and that the contents of the wallet were before him.

Hmmm. We can either believe that (1) Rose simply misspoke or (2) Oswald still had an Oswald ID card and a Hidell ID card loose in his pocket.

Next, we note that Stovall, Rose and Adamcik completed a joint report of their activities on the day of the assassination. You can find it here, on page 27: http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Anatomy%20Of%20Oswalds%20Interrogations%20V3-WEB.pdf

The joint report said nothing about a wallet or finding ID cards in Oswald’s pocket. It merely stated, “We (Rose and Stovall) talked to him briefly, obtaining his ID and name, …”

Hmmm. “Obtaining.”

Lastly, Rose was the subject of an HSCA interview on April 13, 1978. You can find it at http://www.prayer-man.com/dpd/gus-rose/#lightbox[group]/0/. Rose was quite clear as to what had occurred:

          “And one of the officers handed me a wallet they had taken out of his pocket. And I asked the suspect what his name was.”

          “And when he told me his name was Hidell I just flipped open his billfold and looked through his identification cards and I also found the name Lee Harvey Oswald. So I said here’s some identification for Oswald, is Hidell your real name?”

Here in the Real World, there is no mystery. Rose was given Oswald’s wallet, found the conflicting ID cards, and asked about them. As might well be expected here in the Real World, the recollections of Rose and Stovall did not mesh exactly.

In Conspiracy World, however, there is highly suspicious conflict, dispute and mystery. In Conspiracy World, there is ALWAYS highly suspicious conflict, dispute and mystery!

Hmmm. In Conspiracy Think, of course, a witness’s admission that he didn’t pay much attention or really doesn’t recall is irrelevant. He is forever locked into whatever he said.

A classic example of someone who didn't pay much attention is Buell Wesley Frazier, he repeatedly says that he never payed much attention to the paper sack and why should he have, they were just innocuous "curtain rods" in a plain brown paper bag and when Frazier did see Oswald holding the bag in his famous recollection that has now become CT gospel of "armpit to cupped hand" that was only from a distance and from behind. But I have a sneaking suspicion that naïve Frazier initially never did pay much attention to the bag but as the horror of the events became clear and his sudden realization that he transported Oswald with his rifle to work, Frazier in an effort to distance himself from the assassination, started "remembering" events a little differently.

Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

And to be honest I don't blame Frazier he was just a 19 year old kid who was used by a killer, in fact I think others also saw the brown paper package but just kept their mouths shut, Dougherty who was another well intentioned but not quite all there employee, testified to the following. Even though Dougherty's testimony was a bit bonkers, this should have been followed up.

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald carry any sort of large package?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't, but some of the fellows said they did.
Mr. BALL - Who said that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, Bill Shelley, he told me that he thought he saw him carrying a fairly good-sized package.
Mr. BALL - When did Shelley tell you that?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, it was--the day after it happened.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Actually, Martin prefers Soberano.

I had to look that up but that seems like a nice brew, with 36% alcohol that must have a bit of a kick. Even though I've been mostly sober since 2023, that could tempt me.

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Mytton'scusess
Frazier lied about the size of the bag; except when he was mistaken.
  another lame excuse by John Mytton, not in the official record  -- collect them all !

[John Mytton]

Mytton'scusess
Frazier lied about the size of the bag; except when he was mistaken.
  another lame excuse by John Mytton, not in the official record  -- collect them all !

When I agree with what's in the official record you hate me.
When I disagree with what's in the official record you hate me.

At least you're consistent! LOL!

Anyway, the WC Report and the Official Volumes isn't the Bible written by the word of God, and I'm allowed to disagree with certain insignificant aspects and in this case regarding Frazier, it ultimately doesn't matter what Frazier says about the size of the bag, because;

The bag was the perfect size for the rifle.
The bag had multiple Oswald prints.
The bag was discovered in the Sniper's nest next to the relatively fresh Oswald prints.
The bag was on the other side of the floor where Oswald's rifle was found.
The bag's location in Frazier's car was lied about by Oswald, because obviously the bag was too big to carry it on his lap.
The Bag's contents were lied about by Oswald who said to Frazier that the contents were curtain rods and told the Police the bag contained his lunch.











JohnM