Two Wallets? Nope.

[John Mytton]

BTW where's Tom?

I suspect he's with Vincent Baxter

I sent Tom a PM and when he replies, I'll fill you in if he's with Vincent! 

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Dallas Police Officers, Guy Rose, and Richard Stovall, along with FBI Agent, Manning Clements,
all handled the Oswald IDs. Rose and Stovall met together with Lee, but are in dispute about the wallet,
Stovall says he had the wallet; Rose said he didn't. 

Rose:
"He had already been searched and someone had his billfold.
I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not."

Mr. BALL. And the contents of the billfold supposedly were before you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Stovall:
"I don't recall exactly--
I went in and asked him for his identification, asked him who he was and he said his name was Lee Oswald,
as well as I remember. Rose and I were both in there at the time. He had his billfold and in it he had the
identification of "A. Hidell," which was on a selective service card, as well as I remember."

Stovall said he told them his name was Lee Oswald, Rose said he claimed to be Hidell.

Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.

Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".

Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.

It was key to separate the contents; thereby disconnecting it to any other wallet.

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Inventory Control
I'm not sure where I got this from, but it breaks down the inventory reports of the wallet;

Rose and Stovall first said they "obtained" his ID (24H292).
In testimony, Stoval said Oswald had his billfold at the 1st interrogation (7H187-88)
while Rose said Lee had the contents of the billfold but not the billfold itself (7H228).

When FBI agent Clements saw Lee in the interrogation room by himself at 10 that night,
the wallet was on a desk in the room (7H320). While Lee was out of the room,
Clements went through the wallet and listed its contents (H 615-17).

On 11/24/63, Fritz furnished the FBI with Photos "of all the articles contained in the wallet of"
Lee Oswald at time of arrest. These were apparently given to Bookhout, whose report lists 17 items (24H17).

A receipt executed by Hosty, which reads (24H347):
"Received from Capt. Will Fritz at approximately 1:00 a.m. on 11/27/63"
"Billfold and 16 cards and pictures taken from Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/63"

The maximum number of items (excluding the cash) is 17 (24H17).
Hosty's receipt lists only 16 items.
SA Clements lists 13 plus the cash, plus Lee's Social Sec. card which Lee "had...in possession."

Comparing the Clements list (H 615-17) with the Bookhout list of the photos Fritz supplied,
The following items are absent from Clements:

1. Photo of Oswald in marine uniform
2. A.J. Hidell Certificate of Service
3. slip of paper with 2 addresses for The Worker

FBI Agent Hosty also confirms this wallet was found at the scene.
Patrolman Leonard Jez, told a conference in 1999 that the wallet was identified at the murder scene as belonging to Oswald.
Yet the Hidell ID does not appear documented by Clements until Fritz hands over the inventory on 11/27.

That service card is key, and ties the murder weapon of the President with the officer's killer.
But it's all very suspicious, instant like, when Belin asked Hill about the name Hidell, the SGT became coy,
like he "couldn't say specifically", "...sounds like the name". That became the act by April 08, 1964.

Mr. HILL. "That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was,
because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard."

 
Lame.
More unproven Conspiracy garbage.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is, you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws, and here we have Oswald's wallet which doesn't have a single problem;

Oswald's Social Security Card, every American citizen has access to a social security number and access to a Social security card.
Oswald's military ID's, Oswald was provably in the military.
Oswald's family photos, Oswald provably had a family.
Oswald's Cuba cards, Oswald signed the "Fair play for Cuba" card and Oswald is on film handing out Hands off Cuba leaflets and had a stack of Cuba and Fidel related material in his possessions.
Oswald's library card, Oswald borrowed and allegedly read books.
Oswald's fake Hidell ID, in Oswald's possessions was the template for this Fake ID, Oswald signed the fake ID, Oswald said his name was Hidell to Officer Rose, Oswald ordered his rifle back in March with the name Hidell, Oswald ordered the revolver back in March with the Hidell alias, Oswald paid for the rifle back in March with the fake Hidell alias.

Knowing that everything in Oswald's wallet was irrefutably connected to Oswald, give me a reason to care?

JohnM

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is,

Pathetic.

But let's see how unbiased you really are; name one piece of evidence used by the WC that is dubious.

I have already agreed that Oswald's quick departure from the TSBD works against him and that the BY photos are most likely authentic.

you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws

What exactly have I manufactured? For once try to answer a question in a normal manner and be precise.

[Martin Weidmann]

Lame.
More unproven Conspiracy garbage.

JohnM

Said the guy who claims to be unbiased! 

[John Mytton]

Hilarious, the only person here with a clear bias is you, it doesn't matter what the evidence against Oswald is,

Pathetic.

But let's see how unbiased you really are; name one piece of evidence used by the WC that is dubious.

I have already agreed that Oswald's quick departure from the TSBD works against him and that the BY photos are most likely authentic.

you always manufacture and embarrass yourself with non-existent flaws

What exactly have I manufactured? For once try to answer a question in a normal manner and be precise.

I have already agreed that Oswald's quick departure from the TSBD works against him and that the BY photos are most likely authentic.

Big Deal!

The backyard photos have been proven 7 ways to Sunday and you have no choice but to accept their authenticity but and it's a big but, here is where your biased manufacturing and inventing impossible scenarios comes into play, your allegation that the rifle in the backyard photos isn't the same one that Kleins sent, which leads to these wild fabrications;

• That there is no proof Oswald ordered the rifle
• That the money order was faked
• That Oswald's Hidell alias was faked
• That Kleins records and microfilm were altered
• That Kleins didn't send the rifle
• That Oswald didn't receive the rifle
• That Oswald didn't use the rifle in the following month after the backyard photos in Oswald's assassination attempt on Walker
• That the rifle in the backyard photo is a different rifle
• That Marina saw a block of wood in the blanket
• That Oswald didn't take the rifle to work on the 22nd
• That the rifle found on the 6th floor wasn't Oswald's
• That the palm print was faked
• That the fibre evidence means absolutely nothing
• That the relatively fresh prints in the Sniper's nest are worthless
• That Oswald's interrogation questions and answers re the rifle have been falsified
Etc Etc.

And as for Oswald in immediately flight from the scene of the crime, well that's a no brainer! DUH!
But what happened next is another series of Weidmann bias, from Bledsoe hallucinations and the planted bus transfer, to the cab ride, to Earlene Roberts, to Tippit's murder and the planted wallet and the jacket, to what happened in the Texas Theatre and Oswald's revolver being swapped and ETC, ETC, are all in severe aggressive dispute!

You're a Loon!


JohnM

[John Mytton]

Said the guy who claims to be unbiased! 

Thanks Martin, I'm glad you are here to answer for Michael and give him your full support, because he needs all the help he can get!

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Lame.
More unproven Conspiracy garbage.

JohnM

It is indeed classic Conspiracy Think. Every discrepancy becomes a "conspiracy fact" in the minds of these characters. If one witness says the car was purple, one says red and one says maroon - voila, three cars were fleeing from the scene and the routine hit-and-run becomes a mysterious conspiracy! These peoples' minds simply cannot be penetrated by rational thought. One can only observe the mysterious workings and marvel that they somehow function in the real world. It is ABSOLUTELY like attempting to discuss an issue with a Flat Earther, Fake Moon Landing fanatic, or any species of hardcore religious fundamentalist. Been there, done that. At some level, deep down, I have to believe they know they are spouting nonsense, but the desire to believe transcends rational thought.