Why Would Tippit Leave Himself a Sitting Duck For An Armed Cold Blooded Killer ?

[John Mytton]

Mr. BALL. Did this police car stop directly in front of your house?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--it stopped directly in front of my house and it just "tip-tip" and that's the way Officer Alexander and Charles Burnely would do when they stopped, and I went to the door and looked and saw it wasn't their number.

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For example, how many of us knew that, although Earlene Roberts was besieged by reporters soon after Oswald was apprehended, nearly a full week passed before she mentioned anything to anyone about a police car stopping by the house? I didn't know that. Yet the written record is unequivocal about it, and Myers' personal interviews with a number of newsmen and law enforcement officers who questioned Roberts at the time confirm that only later did the story about the police car arise.

Come to think of it, did anyone ever look into the two police officers, Burnley and Alexander, that Roberts reportedly knew, whom she said she initially thought must be paying her a visit? Surely someone MUST have. But no, Myers is the first. He tracked down Charles T. Burnley, the one and only "Burnley" on the police force in 1963, who told Myers he'd never so much as heard of Earlene Roberts or her story until being informed of it around 1991-92. Roberts did know a DPD officer named Floyd J. Alexander, Sr., though, the man she describes in her testimony as a former employer. Myers found Alexander and confirmed this. The only problem is that Alexander had resigned from the force in 1957, leading one to wonder why Mrs. Roberts would be expecting him to visit in a squad car in 1963.

Perhaps it isn't so strange, then, that Alexander recalled Roberts as someone who wasn't "very bright, had a limited number of friends, and would do almost anything to get attention." The last word may belong to Roberts' former employer Gladys Johnson, who recalled having fired Roberts "a time or two" for some of her strange habits, one of which, Mrs. Johnson told Myers, was "[j]ust sitting down and making up tales."
https://www.jfk-online.com/myers.html

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Mr. BALL. Did this police car stop directly in front of your house?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--it stopped directly in front of my house and it just "tip-tip" and that's the way Officer Alexander and Charles Burnely would do when they stopped, and I went to the door and looked and saw it wasn't their number.

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For example, how many of us knew that, although Earlene Roberts was besieged by reporters soon after Oswald was apprehended, nearly a full week passed before she mentioned anything to anyone about a police car stopping by the house? I didn't know that. Yet the written record is unequivocal about it, and Myers' personal interviews with a number of newsmen and law enforcement officers who questioned Roberts at the time confirm that only later did the story about the police car arise.

Come to think of it, did anyone ever look into the two police officers, Burnley and Alexander, that Roberts reportedly knew, whom she said she initially thought must be paying her a visit? Surely someone MUST have. But no, Myers is the first. He tracked down Charles T. Burnley, the one and only "Burnley" on the police force in 1963, who told Myers he'd never so much as heard of Earlene Roberts or her story until being informed of it around 1991-92. Roberts did know a DPD officer named Floyd J. Alexander, Sr., though, the man she describes in her testimony as a former employer. Myers found Alexander and confirmed this. The only problem is that Alexander had resigned from the force in 1957, leading one to wonder why Mrs. Roberts would be expecting him to visit in a squad car in 1963.

Perhaps it isn't so strange, then, that Alexander recalled Roberts as someone who wasn't "very bright, had a limited number of friends, and would do almost anything to get attention." The last word may belong to Roberts' former employer Gladys Johnson, who recalled having fired Roberts "a time or two" for some of her strange habits, one of which, Mrs. Johnson told Myers, was "[j]ust sitting down and making up tales."
https://www.jfk-online.com/myers.html

JohnM

I'm sort of sorry I started my taxi thread because now I'm jumping between the two, but I truly believe the plausible alternatives are (1) a taxi or (2) the event simply never happened. Either of those seems to me FAR more plausible than what Earlene said. Contrary to what Walton says, I don't feel as though I'm misrepresenting her testimony so much as highlighting her self-admitted physical limitations, her unquestionable confusion, and the implausibility of her tale. To suggest that the tit-titting "police" car was Tippit or had anything to do with the death of Tippit strikes me as one of those scenarios that cannot pass the "What sense would that make?" test.

[John Mytton]

To suggest that the tit-titting "police" car was Tippit or had anything to do with the death of Tippit strikes me as one of those scenarios that cannot pass the "What sense would that make?" test.

If Oswald stayed on the bus then he wouldn't have been at the rooming house when the toot-tooting happened.
If Oswald got out of the cab when it was at the rooming house then he wouldn't have been at the rooming house when the toot-tooting happened.

The only narrative I can suggest is that the Police Car drove by and saw Oswald walking to the Rooming House so they decided to stop by, toot and then keep going, which is just absurd or the most logical scenario, Earlene after a week of being questioned added some spice!

JohnM

[Watson Phillips]

To suggest that the tit-titting "police" car was Tippit or had anything to do with the death of Tippit strikes me as one of those scenarios that cannot pass the "What sense would that make?" test.

Evidenced by the fact that Family Man, War Hero Tippit was soon to become daddy to the child of one his buddy's strippers , who by the way was about to become an unemployed unwed former stripper in financial need , Oswald was not the only one in a desperate bind.

Interesting how the individuals who are in desperate  need  seem to end up dead in connection to jack Ruby .
So says Chief Justice Warren :

When Chief Justice Warren and other members of the Commission on June 7, 1964, interviewed Ruby at the Dallas County jail. General Counsel Rankin told Ruby:

There was a story that you were sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. (Bernard) Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another man who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that?'

To which Ruby replied with a counter-question: 'Who was the rich oil man?'

After that, unbelievably, the subject was dropped. Apparently, Messrs. Warren and Rankin felt they were getting too warm. Ruby's reaction indicated that he was ready to talk since he had nothing to lose. But the Commission members

weren't looking for the truth. They shied away from it, as from the plague. And so the topic was quickly shifted. Ruby

[John Mytton]

Evidenced by the fact that Family Man, War Hero Tippit was soon to become daddy to the child of one his buddy's strippers , who by the way was about to become an unemployed unwed former stripper in financial need , Oswald was not the only one in a desperate bind.

Interesting how the individuals who are in desperate  need  seem to end up dead in connection to jack Ruby .
So says Chief Justice Warren :

When Chief Justice Warren and other members of the Commission on June 7, 1964, interviewed Ruby at the Dallas County jail. General Counsel Rankin told Ruby:

There was a story that you were sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. (Bernard) Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another man who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that?'

To which Ruby replied with a counter-question: 'Who was the rich oil man?'

After that, unbelievably, the subject was dropped. Apparently, Messrs. Warren and Rankin felt they were getting too warm. Ruby's reaction indicated that he was ready to talk since he had nothing to lose. But the Commission members

weren't looking for the truth. They shied away from it, as from the plague. And so the topic was quickly shifted. Ruby

Mr. RANKIN. Did you know Officer Tippit?
Mr. RUBY. I knew there was three Tippits on the force. The only one I knew used to work for the special services, and I am certain this wasn't the Tippit, this wasn't the man.
Mr. RANKIN. The man that was murdered. There was a story that you were seen sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that?
Mr. RUBY. Who was the rich oil man?
Mr. RANKIN. Can you remember? We haven't been told. We are just trying to find out anything that you know about him.
Mr. RUBY. I am the one that made such a big issue of Bernard Weissman's ad. Maybe you do things to cover up, if you are capable of doing it.
As a matter of fact, Saturday afternoon we went over to the Turf Bar lounge, and it was a whole hullabaloo, and I showed the pictures "Impeach Earl Warren" to Bellocchio, and he saw the pictures and got very emotional.
And Bellocchio said, "Why did the newspaper take this ad of Weissman?"
And Bellocchio said, "I have got to leave Dallas."
And suddenly after making that statement, I realized it is his incapability, and suddenly you do things impulsively, and suddenly you realize if you love the city, you stay here and you make the best of it. And there were witnesses.
I said, "The city was good enough for you all before this. Now you feel that way about it." And that was Bellocchio.
As far as Tippit, it is not Tippitts, it is not Tippitts it is Tippit.
Mr. RANKIN. This Weissman and the rich oil man, did you ever have a conversation with them?
Mr. RUBY. There was only a few. Bill Rudman from the YMCA, and I haven't seen him in years.
And there is a Bill Howard, but he is not a rich oil man. He owns the Stork Club now. He used to dabble in oil.
Chief Justice WARREN. This story was given by a lawyer by the name of Mark Lane, who is representing Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and it was in the paper, so we subpenaed him, and he testified that someone had given him information to the effect that a week or two before President Kennedy was assassinated, that in your Carousel Club you and Weissman and Tippit, Officer Tippit, the one who was killed, and a rich oil man had an interview or conversation for an hour or two.
And we asked him who it was that told him, and he said that it was confidential and he couldn't tell at the moment, but that he would find out for us if whether he could be released or not from his confidential relationship.
He has never done it, and we have written him several letters asking him to disclose the name of that person, and he has never complied.
Mr. RUBY. Isn't that foolish? If a man is patriotic enough in the first place, who am I to be concerned if he wasn't an informer.
I am incarcerated, nothing to be worried about anyone hurting me.
Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Ruby, I am not questioning your story at all. I wanted you to know the background of this thing, and to know that it was with us only hearsay. But I did feel that our record should show that we would ask you the question and that you would answer it, and you have answered it.
Mr. RUBY. How many days prior to the assassination was that?
Chief Justice WARREN. My recollection is that it was a week or two. Is that correct?
Mr. RUBY. Did anyone have any knowledge that their beloved President was going to visit here prior to that time, or what is the definite time that they knew he was coming to Dallas?
Chief Justice WARREN. Well, I don't know just what those dates are.
Mr. RUBY. I see.
Chief Justice WARREN. I just don't know. Well, we wanted to ask you that question, because this man had so testified, and we have been trying ever since to get him to give the source of his information, but he will not do it, so we will leave that matter as it is.

JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Evidenced by the fact that Family Man, War Hero Tippit was soon to become daddy to the child of one his buddy's strippers , who by the way was about to become an unemployed unwed former stripper in financial need , Oswald was not the only one in a desperate bind.

Interesting how the individuals who are in desperate  need  seem to end up dead in connection to jack Ruby .
So says Chief Justice Warren:

Maybe it's just me - really - but I often have a difficult time following the connections you're trying to make.

If we stipulate that Tippit was about to become the father of an illegitimate child by a Ruby-affiliated stripper who was about to become unemployed - a massively generous stipulation, I'm sure you'll agree - how in your thinking would this put Tippit in a "desperate bind" on November 22nd and how would it connect to a police car with two uniformed officers and a three-digit number toot-tooting in front of the Beckley rooming house and then driving off?

For that matter, how would it connect to Tippit stopping Oswald and negligently allowing himself to be shot? I'm really not following the logic.

[Watson Phillips]

Maybe it's just me - really - but I often have a difficult time following the connections you're trying to make.

If we stipulate that Tippit was about to become the father of an illegitimate child by a Ruby-affiliated stripper who was about to become unemployed - a massively generous stipulation, I'm sure you'll agree - how in your thinking would this put Tippit in a "desperate bind" on November 22nd and how would it connect to a police car with two uniformed officers and a three-digit number toot-tooting in front of the Beckley rooming house and then driving off?

For that matter, how would it connect to Tippit stopping Oswald and negligently allowing himself to be shot? I'm really not following the logic.

Police are the perfect assassins & the perfect victims of assassination
Both circumstances can be owed up to their chosen profession .
Policemen are murdered all the time and nobody would ever question it happened for any other reason than the uniform they are wearing.
Likewise a policeman can gun down a fleeing dangerous criminal and no one would ever suspect an ulterior motive for the police doing so.
If after all he and Oswald's socializing Tippit FINALLY got out of the car  because he considered Oswald  a dangerous criminal why would he have not called for back up as is standard procedure?
He is in a car , Oswald on foot there was no way Oswald was going to escape anywhere.
Why did Tippit break such basic fundamentals of police protocol , walking right into the line of fire and getting himself killed , when he could have had that entire area swarming with police cars with one call.
Every action screams the fact that Tippit was trying to get Oswald in the car as quietly and with as little notice as possible.
It was no coincidence after A seasoned policeman  broke every fundamental rule trying to get Oswald in a police car, getting himself killed in the process that Oswald was only hours from  himself getting shot down  surrounded by police in a police station.



None was more acquainted with that fact that with Oswald & Tippit  dead he represented the most obvious lose end to be taken care of than Jack Ruby.
Who do you think Jack Ruby was so afraid of killing him now that he was in custody ?
Ruby knew the drill only to well .


Jack Ruby tells Earl Warren his life is in danger
Jack Ruby tells Earl Warren his life is in danger

Ruby told Earl Warren that he would "come clean" if he was moved from Dallas and allowed to testify in Washington. He told Warren "my life is in danger here". He added: "I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here." Warren refused to have Ruby moved and so he refused to tell what he knew about the assassination of John F. Kennedy.