Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2025, 06:43:04 AM »
You think that disbelieving the official fantasy (and for good reason) is the same thing as a "conspiracy theory".

You don't think the Carcano that was found on the sixth floor -- with Oswald's prints on it and which the bullet fragments found in the limo and CE-399 were ballistically matched to -- belonged to Oswald.

Therefore, you believe that someone other than Oswald must have fired it and put it there so that he (Oswald) would be incriminated for the assassination.

It seems to me that you, like Dylan's "Thin Man," know there was a conspiracy, but you don't know what it was . . . because you haven't been able to think of one that makes more sense that the one proclaimed by the Warren Commission Report, especially one that wouldn't necessitate the witting involvement of oodles a gobs of bad guys and bad gals.

Yet you continue to snipe away like mad because the official story is . . . gasp . . . too implausible for your contrarian mind to believe.

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« Last Edit: April 06, 2025, 06:54:20 AM by Tom Graves »

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2025, 06:34:18 PM »
You don't think the Carcano that was found on the sixth floor -- with Oswald's prints on it and which the bullet fragments found in the limo and CE-399 were ballistically matched to -- belonged to Oswald.

You forgot to prove it had "Oswald's prints on it", or that those  bullet fragments were "found in the limo", or that CE-399 had anything to do with the assassination.

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Therefore, you believe that someone other than Oswald must have fired it and put it there so that he (Oswald) would be incriminated for the assassination.

False dichotomy.  Next?

Offline Watson Phillips

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2025, 04:23:41 PM »
A longtime researcher recently posted on the Ed Forum that “Oswald’s patsy statement speaks volumes.”

Does it?

Oswald said, “They’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy.”

He was saying, clearly, that he was a patsy of the Dallas Police Department.



What knowledge would a Dallas cop have regarding the past travel habits of a nobody like Oswald ?
You suggest there is a reason the police should be knowledgeable of his past travel history/life story,  why do you believe that would be the case ?

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2025, 06:29:46 PM »

What knowledge would a Dallas cop have regarding the past travel habits of a nobody like Oswald ?
You suggest there is a reason the police should be knowledgeable of his past travel history/life story,  why do you believe that would be the case ?
I don't suggest that AT ALL. That is what Oswald SAID. He obviously knew he'd been in the USSR. Before he was arrested, I don't think the DPD had the faintest idea he'd ever been in the USSR. Like all of his other lies and absurdities, this was just Oswald being Oswald.

Offline Watson Phillips

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2025, 08:09:03 PM »
I don't suggest that AT ALL. That is what Oswald SAID. He obviously knew he'd been in the USSR. Before he was arrested, I don't think the DPD had the faintest idea he'd ever been in the USSR. Like all of his other lies and absurdities, this was just Oswald being Oswald.
Oswald was not being absurd or off topic when he mentioned Russia being the basis for what most interested the "AGENTS" as he was being held in the Dallas Police station.
There were two FBI agents questioning him and if anyone was behaving in a bizarre manner it was the FBI Agents .
One of them named Agent Hosty.
They questioned him about whether he had been to Russia , about his time in the Marines.
Huh!
Why would the first things the FBI want to know about was to question Oswald the assassin who just killed the president on things they knew all about already ????
The questioning from agent Hosty also shows that Oswald knew he had been under federal surveillance for some time and that the FBI had been harassing Marina at least 2 times.
It's all in the Dallas PD summery of the interrogation:
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/pdf/WR_A11_ReportsDPD.pdf

What do you think about Oswald actually being on point in mentioning his having been to Russia as a main concern of the Feds who were involved in questioning him?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2025, 08:12:13 PM by Watson Phillips »

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2025, 01:07:02 AM »
Oswald was not being absurd or off topic when he mentioned Russia being the basis for what most interested the "AGENTS" as he was being held in the Dallas Police station.
There were two FBI agents questioning him and if anyone was behaving in a bizarre manner it was the FBI Agents .
One of them named Agent Hosty.
They questioned him about whether he had been to Russia , about his time in the Marines.
Huh!
Why would the first things the FBI want to know about was to question Oswald the assassin who just killed the president on things they knew all about already ????
The questioning from agent Hosty also shows that Oswald knew he had been under federal surveillance for some time and that the FBI had been harassing Marina at least 2 times.
It's all in the Dallas PD summery of the interrogation:
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/pdf/WR_A11_ReportsDPD.pdf

What do you think about Oswald actually being on point in mentioning his having been to Russia as a main concern of the Feds who were involved in questioning him?

The point being made in my original post was that Oswald's "patsy" statement did not even vaguely suggest he was a patsy IN SOME CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE JFK, which is how CTers persistently misuse the statement. He said he was a patsy of the DPD. You will see in the short video that he refers to "these police officers" having "taken me in" because "I lived in the Soviet Union." Contrary to your suggestion, he does not refer at all to federal agents or to being interrogated about his Soviet connections. As CTers persistently do, you are flatly misstating what occurred, and I no longer have the patience for these silly CT fantasy games.

Did the interrogation deal with his time in the Marines and the USSR. OBVIOUSLY IT DID. Once it became known who he was, possible Soviet involvement in the JFKA was a prime concern. But this had nothing to do with his "patsy" statement as to why "these police officers" had "taken [him] in."

Offline Watson Phillips

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2025, 02:47:58 AM »
The point being made in my original post was that Oswald's "patsy" statement did not even vaguely suggest he was a patsy IN SOME CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE JFK, which is how CTers persistently misuse the statement. He said he was a patsy of the DPD. You will see in the short video that he refers to "these police officers" having "taken me in" because "I lived in the Soviet Union." Contrary to your suggestion, he does not refer at all to federal agents or to being interrogated about his Soviet connections. As CTers persistently do, you are flatly misstating what occurred, and I no longer have the patience for these silly CT fantasy games.

Did the interrogation deal with his time in the Marines and the USSR. OBVIOUSLY IT DID. Once it became known who he was, possible Soviet involvement in the JFKA was a prime concern. But this had nothing to do with his "patsy" statement as to why "these police officers" had "taken [him] in."

How & why would the Dallas police have knowledge of Oswald's travel to Russia ?