Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?

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Offline Lance Payette

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Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« on: April 03, 2025, 07:39:55 PM »
A longtime researcher recently posted on the Ed Forum that “Oswald’s patsy statement speaks volumes.”

Does it?

Oswald said, “They’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy.”

He was saying, clearly, that he was a patsy of the Dallas Police Department.

I will grant, this could suggest Oswald was absolutely clueless as to why he’d been arrested. He didn’t know his rifle was on the 6th floor of the TSBD, didn’t know Tippit had been shot, perhaps didn’t even know JFK was dead. He really thought he'd been arrested only because the DPD knew he'd been in Russia.

But then we have to explain why he left the TSBD, hopped a bus, got impatient and hailed a taxi, had the taxi drop him off past his rooming house, hurried in and got his pistol, Ded Something (perhaps shot Tippit?), lingered suspiciously at the entrance to the shoe store, slipped into the theater, changed seats, resisted arrest, and told whoppers to his interrogators. Hmmm ...

What his statement didn’t suggest is that he was a patsy in any conspiracy. He didn’t say “I’m just a patsy – there’s more to this than you think” or “I’m just a patsy – the truth will come out” or “Others are the criminals – I’m just a patsy" or "I didn't shoot anyone - I was duped - I'm just a patsy."

Yet this “patsy” statement is one of absolute linchpins of conspiracy gospel. CTers get more mileage out of it than fundamentalists get out of any Bible verse.

Yes, this is old hat, JFKA 101 sort of stuff, but how many members of the public think there was a conspiracy largely because CTers constantly beat the patsy drum as though it had dark conspiratorial implications?


Online Charles Collins

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2025, 09:00:03 PM »
A longtime researcher recently posted on the Ed Forum that “Oswald’s patsy statement speaks volumes.”

Does it?

Oswald said, “They’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy.”

He was saying, clearly, that he was a patsy of the Dallas Police Department.

I will grant, this could suggest Oswald was absolutely clueless as to why he’d been arrested. He didn’t know his rifle was on the 6th floor of the TSBD, didn’t know Tippit had been shot, perhaps didn’t even know JFK was dead. He really thought he'd been arrested only because the DPD knew he'd been in Russia.

But then we have to explain why he left the TSBD, hopped a bus, got impatient and hailed a taxi, had the taxi drop him off past his rooming house, hurried in and got his pistol, Ded Something (perhaps shot Tippit?), lingered suspiciously at the entrance to the shoe store, slipped into the theater, changed seats, resisted arrest, and told whoppers to his interrogators. Hmmm ...

What his statement didn’t suggest is that he was a patsy in any conspiracy. He didn’t say “I’m just a patsy – there’s more to this than you think” or “I’m just a patsy – the truth will come out” or “Others are the criminals – I’m just a patsy" or "I didn't shoot anyone - I was duped - I'm just a patsy."

Yet this “patsy” statement is one of absolute linchpins of conspiracy gospel. CTers get more mileage out of it than fundamentalists get out of any Bible verse.

Yes, this is old hat, JFKA 101 sort of stuff, but how many members of the public think there was a conspiracy largely because CTers constantly beat the patsy drum as though it had dark conspiratorial implications?




Honestly, the patsy statement to me is very much about what LHO's brother Robert describes about their mother and those traits being passed on to LHO:


ROBERT OSWALD : She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee. The time and circumstances always seemed to be against her. The world owed her a living. She wanted to be somebody. I think this was passed on to Lee.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/etc/script.html

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2025, 09:30:27 PM »
There's no proof that he shot a gun that day

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2025, 11:18:35 PM »
I will grant, this could suggest Oswald was absolutely clueless as to why he’d been arrested. He didn’t know his rifle was on the 6th floor of the TSBD, didn’t know Tippit had been shot, perhaps didn’t even know JFK was dead. He really thought he'd been arrested only because the DPD knew he'd been in Russia.

But then we have to explain why he left the TSBD, hopped a bus, got impatient and hailed a taxi, had the taxi drop him off past his rooming house, hurried in and got his pistol, Ded Something (perhaps shot Tippit?), lingered suspiciously at the entrance to the shoe store, slipped into the theater, changed seats, resisted arrest, and told whoppers to his interrogators. Hmmm ...

Why do "we" need to "explain" those accusations?  Are they supposed to be evidence of murder?

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2025, 11:22:35 PM »
Why do "we" need to "explain" those accusations?  Are they supposed to be evidence of murder?
Consciousness of guilt.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2025, 12:10:49 AM »
Consciousness of guilt.

Confirmation bias.

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Re: Can we be honest about Oswald's "patsy" statement?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2025, 12:16:52 AM »
Confirmation bias.

KGB*-approved trolling by John Iacoletti.

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