The Warren Commission Sham

[Tom Graves]

What is wrong with you?

Can you prove that CE-399 is actually the bullet that went through JFK and JBC and then ended up at Parkland Hospital?

Let me save you the trouble; YOU CAN'T and never will be able to do so. The record shows that CE-399 started it's evidentiary life in Washington when Rowley gave a bullet to Todd, who was the first person to mark it.

Perhaps you should get off your high horse and actually try to actually discuss the evidence!

Weidmann,

Why do you refuse to deal with the ramifications of what you're suggesting -- that CE-399 was created by the bad guys to incriminate "patsy" Oswald?

Once again, how many bad guys and really, really bad gals were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Oodles and gobs?

[Dan O'meara]

No, not at all. Each item of evidence must be considered separately. If CTers wish to assert that CE 399 was fabricated, planted, etc., we must ask how fabricating and planting it makes any sense in the context of a conspiracy. The notion of fabricating CE 399 and then claiming that it was found at Parkland on a stretcher that we're not even sure was Connally's and then was so badly handled that there are chain-of-custody issues - what possible sense does that make? It's so silly that it does indeed argue in favor of authenticity.

You apparently cannot see that you're digging yourself into a deeper hole. If it actually wasn't at Parkland, this makes things even worse for CTers. This means the conspirators fabricated the story that it was found at Parkland under dubious circumstances. Why would they do that? What sense does any of this make? Sane conspirators with the time to prepare a bullet fired from Oswald's rifle would surely - it seems to me - have planted a more obviously deformed bullet and left it to be found in the limousine.

The double whammy for CTers is that it makes no sense to (1) fabricate a bullet that raises as many red flags as CE 399 and (2) either plant it at Parkland under circumstances that raise red flags or, worse yet, claim it was found under those circumstances.

The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!


These facts will always come first.
These are the facts that must be addressed.
Rather than bleating on about how it couldn't possibly be this way.

Roll up! Roll up! Nutters.
Now is your chance for glory.

[Tom Graves]

The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson, the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!

They refused to identify it after seven months, or, given the fact that they'd failed to put their initials on it, were unable to identify it after seven months?

PS Take some deep breaths.

In through the nose, out through the mouth . . .

[Royell Storing]

The Nutter approach to the glaring fact that CE399 was not the bullet found in Parkland is to cry about "who planted it and why".

Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen and Rowley refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
O P Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
None of these men were asked to identify CE399 by the Warren Commission.
Wright and Johnsen were never asked to testify at all.
Rowley testified but was never asked about CE399.
Unbelievably, Tomlinson,the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland, testified AND WASN'T ASKED A SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE BULLET ITSELF!!
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify, he wasn't shown a picture of the bullet, he wasn't even asked to describe it!
FACT - CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without a single person vouching for it as such. NOBODY IDENTIFIED IT AS THE BULLET FOUND IN PARKLAND!


These facts will always come first.
These are the facts that must be addressed.
Rather than bleating on about how it couldn't possibly be this way.

Roll up! Roll up! Nutters.
Now is your chance for glory.

  Outstanding post. Keep up the good work.

[Dan O'meara]

They refused to identify it after seven months, or, given the fact that they'd failed to put their initials on it, were unable to identify it after seven months?

PS Take some deep breaths.

In through the nose, out through the mouth . . .

 
Well done Tom, that's right, they did refuse to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
Not one or two of them...ALL FOUR MEN refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
All four, Tom.
They were unable to identify it because it was a different bullet.
Rowley and Johnsen didn't put their initials on CE399 because they handled a different bullet that day.
Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
He received a pointed "hunting slug" from Tomlinson and he gave that bullet to Johnsen.
The WC Sham knew not to question any of these men about CE399, so they didn't.
Even Darrell Tomlinson - the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland - was not asked to identify the bullet when he gave testimony. Let that sink in, Tom.
In fact, he wasn't asked a single question about the bullet itself - the man who discovered this absolutely key piece of evidence for the Sham's fantasy.
Don't forget that CE399 was held up as the key to the Single Bullet Theory. It is one of the most important pieces of evidence in this case as far as the WC's story is concerned.
Yet this fundamental piece of evidence was entered into evidence without a single person identifying it as the bullet that was found in Parkland.
How was that possible Tom?
Why wasn't this questioned by the Sham.

Now that it has been established that CE399 was NOT the bullet found in Parkland, here is a question for the Nutters to answer - where did CE399 come from?
And the answer has nothing to do with missing initials.

[Lance Payette]

They refused to identify it after seven months, or, given the fact that they'd failed to put their initials on it, were unable to identify it after seven months?

PS Take some deep breaths.

In through the nose, out through the mouth . . .

I still am unable to fathom - really, I am quite dull - the central issue as to why, if CE 399 were in any sense a "plant," our dumbass conspirators would have used a bullet that raises as many obvious red flags as CE 399 and not had the various participants get their stories straight. If what was found at Parkland was actually nothing, or a 30.06 slug that you needed to make disappear because it didn't match Oswald's rifle, why would you substitute a bullet like CE 399 and coach your witnesses to tell a consistent story? And where did it come from in the first place? Was it always ready, "just in case?" How and why?

I can certainly appreciate that there would be very significant chain-of-custody issues if CE 399 were offered into evidence in a criminal trial. But in a criminal trial, you merely need to object that the chain of custody is insufficient to make reasonably certain that CE 399 is in fact the bullet found at Parkland. You don't need any rationale. But if you're asserting a conspiracy out here in the Real World, you DO need a coherent rationale as to why sane conspirators would have done what you are alleging they did.

CTers seem to miss this critical distinction. Out here in the Real World, you can't get by just by playing Oswald Defense Counsel and raising legal objections. The theory you are promoting has to make sense, or at least not blatantly Not Make Sense.

[Tom Graves]

Well done Tom, that's right, they did refuse to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
Not one or two of them...ALL FOUR MEN refused to identify CE399 as the bullet they handled that day.
All four, Tom.
They were unable to identify it because it was a different bullet.
Rowley and Johnsen didn't put their initials on CE399 because they handled a different bullet that day.
Wright categorically denied that CE399 was the bullet he handled that day.
He received a pointed "hunting slug" from Tomlinson and he gave that bullet to Johnsen.
The WC Sham knew not to question any of these men about CE399, so they didn't.
Even Darrell Tomlinson - the man who discovered the bullet in Parkland - was not asked to identify the bullet when he gave testimony. Let that sink in, Tom.
In fact, he wasn't asked a single question about the bullet itself - the man who discovered this absolutely key piece of evidence for the Sham's fantasy.
Don't forget that CE399 was held up as the key to the Single Bullet Theory. It is one of the most important pieces of evidence in this case as far as the WC's story is concerned.
Yet this fundamental piece of evidence was entered into evidence without a single person identifying it as the bullet that was found in Parkland.
How was that possible Tom?
Why wasn't this questioned by the Sham.

Now that it has been established that CE399 was NOT the bullet found in Parkland, here is a question for the Nutters to answer - where did CE399 come from?
And the answer has nothing to do with missing initials.

O'meara,

You're willfully conflating someone's refusing to identify something they'd seen seven months earlier with his or her being unable to remember what they'd seen seven months earlier.