The Warren Commission Sham

[Dan O'meara]

You seem to think that by assuming the role of Question Man, the rest of us are obligated to play Answer People. The "found at Parkland" issue is disposed of by the chain of custody beginning at Parkland. It was dealt with in the thread I started and to which I referred you. I am not going to regurgitate it all here. There are no significant issues with the chain of custody from Tomlinson to the FBI Lab with the exception of what Wright, who just happened to have a pointy-headed bullet in his desk, ostensibly told Tink Thompson several years later. As I pointed out in the earlier thread (1) this is inconsistent with what Wright originally said, (2) we don't know what he would have said under oath, and (3) his "outlier" testimony (if he had stuck with the pointy-headed version under oath) likely would carry no weight if those on either side of him in the chain of custody (Johnson and Wright) said CE 399 appeared to be the same bullet. I am not going to repeat it all here. (You will note that even Wright's supposed pointy-headed bullet was as pristine as CE 399 - does that seem likely?)

Here's a novel idea: Instead of playing Question Man, how about setting forth your theory of CE 399? That should be simple enough, no? Without asking you any questions, I will then patiently and in my most statesmanlike manner explain why this makes no sense. Regardless of whether CE 399 were planted on a stretcher at Parkland or were later substituted by the FBI for a pointy-headed bullet actually found at Parkland, producing a bullet from Oswald's rifle in the highly unusual condition of CE 399, and that raises as many questions as CE 399, and then using that bullet to attempt to explain JFK's and JBC's numerous wounds, simply makes no sense. A far more plausible, badly damaged bullet that would have raised no questions at all would actually have been far easier to produce. Once again, a conspiratorial theory must posit the Three Stooges as conspirators.

You have made this claim - "There is abundant evidence that CE 399 was found at Parkland." These are your words.
You have been asked to post this evidence.
I'm not sure where you think you are, but on this forum you don't just get to make claims like this without citing the evidence backing up this claim.
It is your claim.
You were moaning and crying about how these issues have been beaten to death, so stop prevaricating and post this "abundant" evidence for CE399 being found at Parkland.
You could have posted this abundant evidence instead of the lengthy reply you actually posted.
It's no wonder these things drag on.

[Lance Payette]

You have made this claim - "There is abundant evidence that CE 399 was found at Parkland." These are your words.
You have been asked to post this evidence.
I'm not sure where you think you are, but on this forum you don't just get to make claims like this without citing the evidence backing up this claim.
It is your claim.
You were moaning and crying about how these issues have been beaten to death, so stop prevaricating and post this "abundant" evidence for CE399 being found at Parkland.
You could have posted this abundant evidence instead of the lengthy reply you actually posted.
It's no wonder these things drag on.

Ya see, the chain of custody is the evidence. The chain of custody is discussed extensively at the thread I linked. If you would like to believe that CE 399 is not the bullet Tomlinson found on the stretcher at Parkland, you are certainly free to do so, but you will have an uphill battle because the chain of custody is solid and you cannot articulate a conspiratorial reason that makes any sense as to why CE 399 would not be the bullet found at Parkland. Is it your theory that the actual bullet was a pristine pointy-headed one like Wright and Thompson discussed in 1966, even though Wright had previously told Odum that CE 399 "looked like" the one Tomlinson had handed him? Uh-huh, that makes sense. You REALLY need to read the chain of custody thread.

I get the feeling you actually enjoy this mental masturbation - in which case you must lead an exceedingly dull life. Even though my life actually is exceedingly dull at the moment thanks to Achilles surgery, I'm not this desperate.

[Lance Payette]

Trying to help you out here. This is the best I can do with a conspiracy scenario.

1. Tomlinson finds pristine, pointy-headed bullet on stretcher at Parkland. Check.

2. Tomlinson gives pristine, pointy-headed bullet to Wright. Check.

3. Wright gives pristine, pointy-headed bullet to Secret Service guy Johnsen. Check.

4. And on it goes with pristine, pointy-headed bullet up the chain of custody until someone at the FBI – we’ll call him Special Agent Curly – slaps his forehead and says:

“Men, we have a problem. This pointy-headed bullet is not from a Carcano. It may well suggest a second gunman, and we obviously don’t want that.”

5. SA Moe quickly interjects:

“What reason do we have to think it has anything to do with the assassination, Agent Curly? Let’s just flush it.”

6. Whereupon SA Larry chimes in:

“Can’t do that, Agent Moe. The two schmucks at Parkland and the Secret Service dope know we have it. Yes, we could say it had nothing to do with the assassination, but CTers 50 years from now aren’t going to buy that flimsy story.”

7. Curly, Larry and Moe think, think, think. At last, a 15W refrigerator bulb goes off in Larry’s head:

“This the plan, men. The Lab guys fire a bullet from Oswald’s rifle and we say it was the one found on the stretcher. Genius, no?”

8. Moe quickly adds:

“But since the two schmucks at Parkland and the Secret Service dope know the pointy-headed bullet was pristine, our substitute must be pristine as well.”

9. Curly, the brains of the outfit (40W bulb), adds thoughtfully:

“This is getting kind of complicated. What injuries would a pristine bullet from Oswald’s Carcano supposedly have inflicted? Are we perhaps not just creating red flags we don’t need to be creating? What will CTers be saying in 50 years?”

10. But Larry and Moe outvote Curly, whereupon the FBI Lab cooperates in creating a more or less pristine-looking Carcano bullet with extensive damage to its posterior – it takes 73 attempts and five hours, but no price is too great to pay – and dummies up a lab report. The bullet becomes CE 399. Whew!

11. Our heroes obviously can’t really show CE 399 to the two schmucks at Parkland or anyone else in the chain who saw the pristine, pointy-headed bullet, so when asked to establish a chain of custody by Rankin (damn him!) they fake a variety of memos, Airtels and whatnot.

12. Because our heroes are exceedingly clever, or perhaps exceedingly not (as the case may be), they don’t do anything as suspiciously obvious as writing the fake memos and Airtels as though anyone in the chain of custody could actually identify what is now CE 399. No, for the sake of authenticity those in the chain of custody are reported in the fake documents as saying merely that CE 399 “looks like” the found bullet or that they “can’t be sure” or “can’t identify" it. A nice touch, no?

There ya go. Makes sense to me, and I really find it fairly plausible – at least so long as the FBI actually had agents named Curly, Larry and Moe.

[Dan O'meara]

Ya see, the chain of custody is the evidence. The chain of custody is discussed extensively at the thread I linked. If you would like to believe that CE 399 is not the bullet Tomlinson found on the stretcher at Parkland, you are certainly free to do so, but you will have an uphill battle because the chain of custody is solid and you cannot articulate a conspiratorial reason that makes any sense as to why CE 399 would not be the bullet found at Parkland. Is it your theory that the actual bullet was a pristine pointy-headed one like Wright and Thompson discussed in 1966, even though Wright had previously told Odum that CE 399 "looked like" the one Tomlinson had handed him? Uh-huh, that makes sense. You REALLY need to read the chain of custody thread.

I get the feeling you actually enjoy this mental masturbation - in which case you must lead an exceedingly dull life. Even though my life actually is exceedingly dull at the moment thanks to Achilles surgery, I'm not this desperate.

Ya see, the chain of custody is the evidence.

 
What??
The chain of custody is the evidence??
A chain of custody is NOT evidence!
This is the most absurd thing you've ever posted, and that's up against some stiff competition.
Maybe I'm losing my mind completely. I'm just going to Google "Is a chain of custody evidence?"



A chain of custody is not evidence.
Are you supposed to be a lawyer 
And this is the "abundant evidence" you were talking about 

There is not one scrap of evidence that CE399 was found at Parkland Hospital.
You are so deluded you've convinced yourself there is "abundant evidence" but there is none.
Don't you feel rather foolish?
The chain of custody is the evidence!! 
That's a classic.

[Lance Payette]

CE 399 is the physical item of evidence. Testimonial and documentary evidence would establish the chain of custody of CE 399. Together, as stated in the chain of custody thread that you are too intellectually lazy to read, they would establish "abundantly" that CE 399 was found at Parkland. There is no "evidence" or "chain of custody" in a technical legal sense outside of a courtroom, but out here in the real world CE 399 and the chain of custody we have from the documents is certainly sufficient to establish a solid case that CE 399 was found at Parkland. There is zero evidence to rebut this, and there is no conspiratorial scenario that even makes sense.

You had to ask AI if a chain of custody is evidence??? That's like asking if a recipe is a pie. No, the testimony and documents establishing the chain of custody are the evidence. Your efforts at one-upmanship have a rather consistently amusing way of backfiring and making you seem a bit dense.

[Dan O'meara]

CE 399 is the physical item of evidence. Testimonial and documentary evidence would establish the chain of custody of CE 399. Together, as stated in the chain of custody thread that you are too intellectually lazy to read, they would establish "abundantly" that CE 399 was found at Parkland. There is no "evidence" or "chain of custody" in a technical legal sense outside of a courtroom, but out here in the real world CE 399 and the chain of custody we have from the documents is certainly sufficient to establish a solid case that CE 399 was found at Parkland. There is zero evidence to rebut this, and there is no conspiratorial scenario that even makes sense.

You had to ask AI if a chain of custody is evidence??? That's like asking if a recipe is a pie. No, the testimony and documents establishing the chain of custody are the evidence. Your efforts at one-upmanship have a rather consistently amusing way of backfiring and making you seem a bit dense.

"CE 399 is the physical item of evidence."

That's right, old timer...CE399 is an item of physical evidence.
Well done.

"Testimonial and documentary evidence would establish the chain of custody of CE 399."

Way to go!
You're two for two.
Testimonial and documentary evidence would establish the chain of custody.

"Ya see, the chain of custody is the evidence."

Ooooooh nooooo!
What on earth were you thinking when you posted this tripe.
Maybe you think the chain of custody is an actual chain that has bits of fibre trapped in it or DNA samples.
It's great how your delusion thinks you are in a position to lecture me, or anyone, about how a chain of custody works.

I've asked for evidence that puts CE399 at Parkland Hospital.
You replied that you had "abundant evidence" to show this was the case.
This "abundant evidence" turns out to be nothing more than your buffoonish attempt to claim that the chain of custody constitutes evidence, in and of itself 
Now you are back-tracking on that ridiculous claim, just as you are back-tracking on your equally ridiculous claim that you have "abundant" evidence placing CE399 at Parkland.
Now you've posted this bizarre sentence in order to change how you originally used the word "abundant" -
"...they [the documentary and testimonial evidence] would establish "abundantly" that CE 399 was found at Parkland." Really??

I'll let you in on a secret, old timer...I've known all along that there isn't a scrap of evidence placing CE399 at Parkland Hospital. I've just been stringing you along because I also know that you know there isn't a scrap of evidence but your delusion won't allow you to admit this.
Rather than just hold your hands up to this fact you have posted some truly idiotic nonsense which you have rightly been called out on.

The Warren Commission Sham entered CE399 into evidence subject to proof that it was the bullet found at Parkland Hospital.
This proof was to be elicited from the testimony of the man who discovered the bullet - Darrell Tomlinson.
Extraordinarily, Tomlinson wasn't asked a single question about the bullet he discovered other than which stretcher he found it on.
He wasn't asked to describe it.
He wasn't shown the bullet to identify.
He wasn't even shown a picture of it to identify.
The man who discovered the bullet at Parkland was not asked to identify that bullet

Let that sink in.

So, the proof that the identification of CE399 was 'subject to' never materialised.
And this 'oversight' was never questioned.
Through sleight of hand, CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found at Parkland with zero proof of identification that it was such.
The Warren Commission Sham at it's finest.

[Zeon Mason]

I think that pointed nose bullet that was found on the stretcher was the actual bullet that struck JFK and JC. It probably fell out while JC was on the stretcher and rolled to the side and wedged onto a gap  between the padding and edge of the stretcher.

somebody can post a picture of the type stretcher that JC was laying on to see if my proposal is a probable possibility or not.

? Was raised by Jim Hawthorne if the pointed bullet would been damaged enough that it should have been noticed by the 4 witness who saw and handled it before it was sent up to higher authority.

I’m thinking the pointed bullet did NOT wobble:yaw as much as a ball  nosed MC bullet would, so the conical shape made it easier to penetrate and go between rib bones and then penetrate , nose first, thru JCs wrist bone more cleanly, leaving only small flakes.

So perhaps this pointed bullet was seen and handled and placed into that empty envelope that had 7.65mm written on it ( that envelope which was discovered in the archives a while back and still a mystery where the envelope came from.

So the switch was made when this pointed bullet was handed off in that envelope to somebody at the FBI who then looked over the medical report of JC. They fabricated the CE 399 bullet as best they could do to be consistent with being squeezed between 2 ribs and then removed a bit from the nose to match the 4 flakes that Nurse Bell testified she placed into a small envelope which had several initials on it as it was passed up the chain of command.