Why is Ruth Paine still alive?

[Martin Weidmann]

You have a typo.

Thank you for pointing it out!

[John Mytton]

Thank you for pointing it out!

Not to be picky, but there is another.

JohnM

[Richard Smith]

The contrarians have taken another thread deep down the rabbit hole wherein we have learned that "conclusive evidence" is "self explanatory."  In addition, someone can participate on an Internet forum for years discussing the JFK assassination and interpreting the evidence in tens of thousands of posts in only the most favorable light to Oswald and "not care" who did it or consider themselves a CTer!  LOL.  That's called eating your cake and having it too.  Applying an impossible standard of proof to the facts that you do not want to accept, entertaining baseless counter possibilities, and then refusing to take any position because of the obvious difficulty in defending that position with any facts or evidence much less the standard applied to Oswald's guilt.  Round and round we go down the drain of another rabbit hole.

[Martin Weidmann]

The contrarians have taken another thread deep down the rabbit hole wherein we have learned that "conclusive evidence" is "self explanatory."  In addition, someone can participate on an Internet forum for years discussing the JFK assassination and interpreting the evidence in tens of thousands of posts in only the most favorable light to Oswald and "not care" who did it or consider themselves a CTer!  LOL.  That's called eating your cake and having it too.  Applying an impossible standard of proof to the facts that you do not want to accept, entertaining baseless counter possibilities, and then refusing to take any position because of the obvious difficulty in defending that position with any facts or evidence much less the standard applied to Oswald's guilt.  Round and round we go down the drain of another rabbit hole.

Did somebody just say anything of significance?

[Zeon Mason]

If Ruth was a conspirator, it might have been just as an informer. The CIA director and agency as a whole may have had  nothing to do with the assassination and may not have been aware exactly who might be an informant to the conspirator group of persons.

And it’s doubtful that CIA would eliminate one of their own without definite proof of being a mole or counterspy.

And a conspirator group sharing the same resolution that it was a necessary act to eliminate JFK probably also took some kind of oath never to reveal the truth.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

If Ruth was a conspirator, it might have been just as an informer. The CIA director and agency as a whole may have had  nothing to do with the assassination and may not have been aware exactly who might be an informant to the conspirator group of persons.

And it’s doubtful that CIA would eliminate one of their own without definite proof of being a mole or counterspy.

And a conspirator group sharing the same resolution that it was a necessary act to eliminate JFK probably also took some kind of oath never to reveal the truth.

For what reason? What did she and Michael get out of such an act? Ruth Paine was (I guess still is) a liberal Democrat, was pro-Kennedy, and not the type of person as a self-professed Quaker pacifist to join with essentially a far right wing putsch or treason. Again: treason. I don't think she would conspire with anyone to murder another person much less JFK.

Why did any of these subordinates/agents follow the orders to commit treason? Conspiracists have LBJ or Hoover or Dulles ordering this but never tell us how this was done. Who did they order to commit this act? Who carried it out? This is, again, treason; probably the greatest act of it in history. If they are discovered they will be disgraced forever. But nobody said no? Everyone went along? They were assured they wouldn't be caught? For the rest of their lives? Is this remotely possible? Would you do this?

Back to Ruth Paine. If you read Thomas Mallon's book on her, "Mrs. Paine's Garage", you'll see that she talked about going to Central America in the 1980s as part of a Quaker relief organization to help victims of the Contra war (she was accused by one person of working for the CIA at the time). She said she was disgusted with what the CIA was doing in Nicaragua and protested by withholding 25% of her taxes. That doesn't sound like a person who would mindlessly support the CIA. Wouldn't there be a number of people like this in the government? Who would be told to kill the President? People who liked JFK, liberal democrats. Perhaps not as liberal as Ruth Paine but certainly a Kennedy fan. None of them existed?

Ruth Paine is simply not, for me, the type of person - either politically or emotionally or psychologically - who'd want to kill JFK or be part of a conspiracy to do so. And then keep it quiet? Again, why? Unless one thinks she's pretending to hold these views all of these years. She's sort of a female Herbert Philbrick but in this case a right wing type. If not then why go along with this?

[John Iacoletti]

Did somebody just say anything of significance?

Keep in mind that you're dealing with people who believe that "cop said so" makes anything conclusive.