Tippit Debate

[John Mytton]

Two teenagers and a Mexican.

By the way, the Mexican filler, Lujan, testified that the SaPersonay lineup never even took place.  Even though there were supposedly results from it.

Mr. LUJAN. He was shouting. He--he was shouting, said all of us had a shirt on and he had a T-shirt on. He wanted a shirt or something.
Mr. BALL. Did the detective say anything to you--or him?
Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; just took us out. They didn't have the showup. Left about a minute.
Mr. BALL. Then you left?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes; took us out back to the cell.

A Mexican with similar colouring to Oswald, the Dallas Police used the men they had available or should they have had a nation wide casting call?

Mr. BALL. What did the other man look like in the showup with you?
Mr. LUJAN. Oh, about my coloring, and about----
Mr. BALL. Same coloring?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Or anywhere near the coloring of Oswald?
Mr. LUJAN. Yes, sir.

Or perhaps they should have quickly created a supply of clones? But even that wouldn't satisfy you!



JohnM

[Zeon Mason]

Ok there’s 4 lineups? Which line up and  How were the other 3 guys dressed and their appearance when Markam was there?

[John Iacoletti]

A Mexican with similar colouring to Oswald, the Dallas Police used the men they had available or should they have had a nation wide casting call?

Maybe they could have done better than nicely dressed police detectives, two teenagers, and a Mexican.  But of course they weren't going for a fair lineup.

Or perhaps they should have quickly created a supply of clones? But even that wouldn't satisfy you!

You are satisfied with any weak, ridiculous nonsense that you think supports your fantasies.

[Bill Brown]

I brought up no such thing.  You're confused.

Sorry, my bad. I thought I was replying to a quote from John Mytton, as we were having a conversation.

I completely missed that you jumped in, which explains my confusion.

No worries.

[Zeon Mason]

Well the standard in 63 for line ups was inferior to what is considered fair today if Mr I list is the current standard.

So judging from 2025 standards , the line ups were not as fair as they  could or should have been, just as the handling of evidence in 63 was  also lower standard.

By today’s standards then , must we discard a lot of the evidence as not acceptable if there’s a faulty chain of custody and  63 line up standard faulty also?

That Bugliosi Mock Trial was aptly named I guess

[Bill Brown]

Yeah, maybe Bill needs to "learn the case".

I was clearly referring to the Friday night lineups.  Everyone knows Oswald no longer had the brown arrest shirt after the Friday night press conference.
Your point is invalid.

[Zeon Mason]

In the Friday line up, Oswald had the cut and bruised eye, and he’s looking pretty ragged compared to the other 3 guys with their hair combed and dressed in different type and color shirts.

But perhaps the eyewitnesses at this 1st lineup recognized Oswald’s face more than any other detail?

Markams WC testimony at least seems to confirm she recognizes Oswald’s face. But the then she got  confused about the question if she’s ever seen no. 2 (Oswald) before.

Imo, it’s the word “before” which perhaps Markam is mistaking  to mean had she ever seen Oswald prior to having seen him on that day of Friday Oct 63.