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[Steve Barber]

"Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated."

the photos you posted have dark shadow in the area of connallys right arm / elbow and the area of the right side of the limo . in addition the photos were taken high above and at an angle . this creates an illusion of a larger gap . the gap was 2.5 inches .




 

"Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade"



we only have the photos and film that we have , so we cant do anything about that . but we can try and show the best photos .

  Look at these two pictures again. Arrows are pointing to the top corner of the jump seat, and the distance between JBC and the side of the car.  JBC is facing straight ahead, which he wasn't doing at the time of the assassination, as the Zapruder film reveals. The right side of JBC's body is further away from the side of the car with his body turned slightly sideway.
 
I am aware of the 2.5inch distance between the seat and the side of the limousine.  This doesn't change the fact that JBC is far left of JFK's position.
JFK and JBC do not line up, and the single bullet that struck JFK also caused all of JBC's wounds. 
The fact that JFK is seated against the side of the car makes all the difference in the world, and the reason he was so far to JBC's right.

      

[Charles Collins]

Mr. SPECTER – Doctor Humes, I show you a bullet which we have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 399,
and may I say now that, subject to later proof, this is the missile which has been taken from the stretcher which
the evidence now indicates was the stretcher occupied by Governor Connally. I move for its admission into evidence at this time.

...that later proof was never shown.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/3956/thread

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Mr. SPECTER. And could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?

Commander HUMES. I think that that is most unlikely ...The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missile could have inflicted either of these wounds is that
this missile is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.

...that later proof was never shown.


Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 97:

I next investigated what had happened to Kennedy’s stretcher. As the blood-soaked Lincoln arrived at Parkland, Diana Bowron, a twenty-two-year-old nurse from England, heard an intercom message that carts were needed at the emergency room entrance. She and an orderly grabbed a gurney from Major Surgery and ran down the hall. The stretcher was pushed near the limousine. The president was lying across Mrs. Kennedy’s knee. Nurse Bowron tried to lift the president’s head, but the First Lady pushed her away. Jacqueline Kennedy then lifted the president’s head onto the cart. The stretcher was rushed into Trauma Room 1, with Mrs. Kennedy running beside it. Jacqueline Kennedy placed a bouquet of red roses, which she had been given at the airport, on the president’s chest as he lay on the stretcher. Her pink pillbox hat, along with the roses, was lying on top of the president when he was wheeled into the emergency room.
Kennedy remained on that stretcher from the time he was wheeled into Trauma Room 1, through the unsuccessful medical treatment , until his body was placed in a casket in the same room. After Kennedy was in his casket, the sheets from his stretcher were gathered and placed in a linen hamper. The stretcher was then wheeled over to Trauma Room 2. Kennedy’s stretcher was never near the area where Tomlinson found the bullet.
Commission Exhibit 399 obviously had dropped from the stretchers that had carried either Kennedy or Connally. We proved that the bullet could not have come from Kennedy’s stretcher. It also could not have come from an odd stretcher that happened to be resting by Connally’s stretcher near the ground-floor men’s room. The bullet, the commission concluded, had to have fallen from Connally’s stretcher.

[Michael Capasse]

...that later proof was never shown.


Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 97:

I next investigated what had happened to Kennedy’s stretcher. As the blood-soaked Lincoln arrived at Parkland, Diana Bowron, a twenty-two-year-old nurse from England, heard an intercom message that carts were needed at the emergency room entrance. She and an orderly grabbed a gurney from Major Surgery and ran down the hall. The stretcher was pushed near the limousine. The president was lying across Mrs. Kennedy’s knee. Nurse Bowron tried to lift the president’s head, but the First Lady pushed her away. Jacqueline Kennedy then lifted the president’s head onto the cart. The stretcher was rushed into Trauma Room 1, with Mrs. Kennedy running beside it. Jacqueline Kennedy placed a bouquet of red roses, which she had been given at the airport, on the president’s chest as he lay on the stretcher. Her pink pillbox hat, along with the roses, was lying on top of the president when he was wheeled into the emergency room.
Kennedy remained on that stretcher from the time he was wheeled into Trauma Room 1, through the unsuccessful medical treatment , until his body was placed in a casket in the same room. After Kennedy was in his casket, the sheets from his stretcher were gathered and placed in a linen hamper. The stretcher was then wheeled over to Trauma Room 2. Kennedy’s stretcher was never near the area where Tomlinson found the bullet.
Commission Exhibit 399 obviously had dropped from the stretchers that had carried either Kennedy or Connally. We proved that the bullet could not have come from Kennedy’s stretcher. It also could not have come from an odd stretcher that happened to be resting by Connally’s stretcher near the ground-floor men’s room. The bullet, the commission concluded, had to have fallen from Connally’s stretcher.

 

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's just use this photograph.....



Can anybody explain to me how a bullet coming from the left on a downward trajectory can go through Kennedy's throat and end up in Connaly's left side of his body?

It seems to me that the resistance of Kennedy's throat tissue would be minimal and would allow bullet to continue on a straight line and and possibly end up somewhere between the two jump seats.

[Fergus O'Brien]

"  Look at these two pictures again. Arrows are pointing to the top corner of the jump seat, and the distance between JBC and the side of the car. " Steve

these two photos are not the original two that you posted , and the original two had no arrows .

i know where the jump seat is / was . with the greatest of respect my points still stand . the right side of the jump seat is in a dark shadow and so cant be seen , the same applies for JBCs right arm from above his elbow . both are nearer the right side of the limo than the photos suggest . in addition because the photo is taken from above and at an angle from the front left AS THE PHOTOGRAPHER LOOKS AT THE LIMO JBCs upper most right shoulder area gives the appearance there was a large gap there . he was turned a bit and i believe tipping his hat or fixing his hat position . we can see a lot of JFK through that gap .we see his knees . but my point is that that is not an accurate representation of the distance connally was to the right side of the car .you mention JFK was comfortably leaning his right arm on the limo or atleast words to the affect , but i posted a photo of JBCs with right arm leaning on the right side of the limo reasonably comfortably .

"JBC is facing straight ahead, which he wasn't doing at the time of the assassination" Steve

JBC can be seen in Zapruder frames looking to his right , then facing forward pretty motionless (with JFK reacting behind him ) not long after emerging from behind the sign , and then seen turning to his right again and then going down having been hit .



this is frame z 230 . prior to the above JBC had just emerged from behind the sign , looked to his right , straightened back up and is facing forwards , in or about z232 or shortly there after frame wise he turns to his right again and then goes down . so yes JBC was facing straight  ahead as atleast the first shot had ALREADY struck JFK as can be seen in the above frame , all be it he only did so briefly .

the top right corner of the jump seat that you now have an arrow pointing at shows us that we see so much of JFK in the photo because the camera was high up and at an angle . in fact we can see jfks shin/s because the camera angle is such that it can see over the right side of the jump seat .which is what i mean by deceptive , not you now , i mean the camera angle is deceptive .it is not really showing the distance between JBC and the right side of the limo . and in fact its not really showing the entire right side of the jump seat due to the dark shadow . the photos i posted show (all be it again at an angle but a smaller one ) a better view of the position of the jump seats .

it seems you are trying to assert as MYERS did with zero in the way of proof (unless you have an over head photo showing it and we dont ) that the left side of JBCs rear end was not sat flush on the left side of the limo jump seat but hovering several inches over it . i believe from memory the jump seats were a bit over 20 inches in width .i know JBC was a tall man , but so am i . i am a 6 footer , and im big built and broad . i have a two seater sofa and each cushion is 22 inches wide . i can sit on it my rear end flush with the left side of the cushion and i have 5 to 6 inches of cushion free on my right . i am not sure just how large a rear end people think connally had but i can assure you the jump seat at over 20 inches wide was more than adequate for connallys rear end and for him to sit comfortably on it .

again you say jfk was far to the right of JBC but that cant be shown to be accurate , not with the photos here that distort the angles .there is a photo taken from the press car enroute from love field to dealey , it may be from not long after the right turn on to main , but im not 100% on that , i am going form memory . but it shows JFK and JBC from the rear . the photographer i believe but i stand to be corrected  LIKELY had his feet up on the rear seat of the car while he sat on the rear of the car . i ESTIMATE he was slightly off center to the left , but again i cant state that 100% , its just my honest opinion from studying the photo and other film . in this photo we see JBCs left shoulder protruding a few inches leftward of JFKs shoulder , and as JBC was sat 2.5 inches to the left we would expect to see that . and we must allow for the slightly offset to the left angle of the camera / photographer also .i mean if we can see a lot of both men well he was not directly behind them in a straight line . i will try to dig out that photo , or perhaps someone else has the photo i speak of and can post it .

[Steve Barber]

 I believe that you can't see the forest for the trees, Furgus. 

[Fergus O'Brien]

Let's just use this photograph.....


 

Can anybody explain to me how a bullet coming from the left on a downward trajectory can go through Kennedy's throat and end up in Connaly's left side of his body?

It seems to me that the resistance of Kennedy's throat tissue would be minimal and would allow bullet to continue on a straight line and and possibly end up somewhere between the two jump seats.

hi Martin you ask an interesting and valid question . lets see what our LN friends come up with .

on a similar but slightly different note i once saw a SBT recreation . it was later on youtube and i pointed out something on there that a lot had not noticed , but they took note after that . i watched the program originally on tv , sorry i am at a loss to remember the program name , but as i said it was on youtube , and may still be or atleast the segment i am now speaking about .

but they set up a snipers perch , correct height , angle , distance to replicate the trajectory from the 6th floor window as per the WC . they then recreated the limo (stationary ) with gel mouids to replicate JFK and JBC . they fired a shot . then they went and examined the moulds . there was a hole on the rear of the jfk mould (to be fair ) pretty much i think spot on with the actual wound location on JFKs back .then they said lets look at the other exits and entry points on both moulds . they did so and proclaimed that they had replicated the SBT .but i noted something odd and it bothered me . after looking at JFKs back entry they then showed JBC back entry etc . i waited and waited to see what they did not show , which bothered me , i wanted to see the front of the JFK mould to see the exit point . they did not show it . at the very end of the program with a minute or less remaining they had the presenter speaking in a room and i noted that they had the JFK gel mould in the background . they never drew attention to it .

but what it showed was clear , and on youtube one can of course pause and view it .so what did it show ? well it showed us why THEY DECIDED NOT TO SHOW US the front of the JFK gel mould in the program . while the bullet entered the back pretty accurate location wise , on the front the bullet exited NOT CENTRAL below the adams apple , but ON THE UPPER LEFT SIDE OF THE CHEST . remember they set up the height , angle , distance etc for a correct trajectory . now we know JFK had no exit on the left of his chest however in this program they still had a bullet pass through the jfk mould . so how is that possible ? just how far to the left did they have to place the JBC mould in order to get a bullet exiting the upper left of the JFK moulds chest to strike the JBC mould near the right arm pit ? . and they got away with this on tv lol .sorry now if i have gone a bit off topic but it is SBT related and i think sort of highlights the problem in recreating (attempting to lol ) the SBT .if anyone knows the program i mention id love to have the name , thanks .