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Online Royell Storing

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2024, 10:20:36 PM »
The idea that evolved into the single bullet theory originated with Dr. Humes in his Warren Commission testimony. This is spelled out in “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Spector, pate 80. Here is a snip from that page:

Our Friday interview with Humes and Boswell produced a revelation: The bullet that passed through Kennedy’s neck proceeded in a straight line, struck nothing solid, and exited with great velocity. The doctors had not mentioned this in their autopsy report. “The missle struck no bony structures in traversing the body of the late president.” Humes testified when I questioned him the following Monday. “Therefore, I believe it was moving at its exit from the president’s body at only very slightly less than that velocity, so it was still traveling at great speed.”
Humes then referred to Commission Exhibit 398, a frame of the Zapruder film that showed Kennedy raising his hands to his neck, presumably after being shot there. “I believe in looking at Exhibit 398, which purports to be at approximately the time the president was struck,” Humes said, “I see that Governor Connally is sitting directly in front of the late president, and suggest the possibility that this missile, having traversed the low neck of the late president, in fact traversed the chest of Governor Connally.”


The origin of the idea/opinion that evolved into a hypothesis, then theory and conclusion began with Dr. Humes. It has been extensively tested and evaluated by the scientific community time and time again over the past sixty-plus years and it is strongly supported by the vast majority of the scientists who have tested it. The Knott Labs study tries in vain to disprove the single bullet conclusion but fails miserably. No truly unbiased jury (they are all supposed to be unbiased) could ever believe that the Knott Labs study disproves the single bullet conclusion.

    You just shot yourself in the foot. Humes did Not support the SBT. 

Offline Steve Barber

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2024, 11:00:16 PM »
    


 Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated.
 Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade,

  Cyril Wecht was very dishonest when using stand-ins to simulate JFK and JBC seatd in the limousine.   He also knew about the "Lapel Flip" as far back as 1975, and never said a word about it!
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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2024, 11:13:03 PM »
    You just shot yourself in the foot. Humes did Not support the SBT.


Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 81:


Humes saw Bullet 399, which was almost pristine, for the first time the day he testified. When I showed him photographs of the positions that Kennedy and Connally had occupied in the Lincoln, Humes suggested that the same bullet might have exited Kennedy’s neck and then passed through Connally’s chest.

I asked Humes whether he thought Bullet 399 could have caused Connally’s other wounds, to the right wrist and left thigh. Humes could rely only on the Parkland Hospital records to answer. “I think that extremely unlikely,” he replied. “The reports, again Exhibit 392 from Parkland, tell of an entrance wound on the lower mid thigh of the governor, and X rays taken there are described as showing metallic fragments in the bone, which apparently by this report were not removed and are still in Governor Connally’s thigh. I can’t conceive of where they came from this missile.”
Humes also did not think Bullet 399 had caused the wounds to Connally’s wrist, because of metallic fragments found in that wound. “The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missle could have inflicted either of these wounds is that this missle is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.” At this point then, there was no Single-Bullet Theory. Humes had given us vital information indicating that the bullet had exited from Kennedy’s throat at high speed. The theory that the bullet then went through Conbnally’s chest and wrist and lodged in the governor’s thigh would have to be checked against his X rays, a suggestion Humes made. The key lay in the size and weight of the fragments.
We would later prove that Bullet 399 could indeed have passed through the president and then inflicted all of the governor’s wounds. We would make the case partly by weighing Bullet 399 and the metal fragments taken from Connally’s body. Together, the nearly whole bullet and the fragments weighed no more than an ordinary bullet.


As you can see, I said the idea that evolved into the single bullet theory originated with Dr. Humes’ testimony. Whether or not Humes believed that the other two wounds were caused by Bullet 399 is not relevant to the statement that I made.

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2024, 11:33:09 PM »

Another snip from “Passion for Truth” by Arlen Specter, page 81:


Humes saw Bullet 399, which was almost pristine, for the first time the day he testified. When I showed him photographs of the positions that Kennedy and Connally had occupied in the Lincoln, Humes suggested that the same bullet might have exited Kennedy’s neck and then passed through Connally’s chest.

I asked Humes whether he thought Bullet 399 could have caused Connally’s other wounds, to the right wrist and left thigh. Humes could rely only on the Parkland Hospital records to answer. “I think that extremely unlikely,” he replied. “The reports, again Exhibit 392 from Parkland, tell of an entrance wound on the lower mid thigh of the governor, and X rays taken there are described as showing metallic fragments in the bone, which apparently by this report were not removed and are still in Governor Connally’s thigh. I can’t conceive of where they came from this missile.”
Humes also did not think Bullet 399 had caused the wounds to Connally’s wrist, because of metallic fragments found in that wound. “The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missle could have inflicted either of these wounds is that this missle is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.” At this point then, there was no Single-Bullet Theory. Humes had given us vital information indicating that the bullet had exited from Kennedy’s throat at high speed. The theory that the bullet then went through Conbnally’s chest and wrist and lodged in the governor’s thigh would have to be checked against his X rays, a suggestion Humes made. The key lay in the size and weight of the fragments.
We would later prove that Bullet 399 could indeed have passed through the president and then inflicted all of the governor’s wounds. We would make the case partly by weighing Bullet 399 and the metal fragments taken from Connally’s body. Together, the nearly whole bullet and the fragments weighed no more than an ordinary bullet.


As you can see, I said the idea that evolved into the single bullet theory originated with Dr. Humes’ testimony. Whether or not Humes believed that the other two wounds were caused by Bullet 399 is not relevant to the statement that I made.
Charles: Here is Humes in 1992 in the JAMA article:

"Once we saw the holes in the back of the President's suit jacket and shirt and the nicks on his shirt collar and the knot of his necktie, the path of the second bullet was confirmed. That bullet was traveling very fast and it had to go somewhere. I believe in the single-bullet theory that it struck Governor Connally immediately after exiting the President's throat."

So it's true he initially disbelieved the idea, or thought it unlikely; he later came to support it.

That JAMA article is here: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md22.pdf

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2024, 11:37:14 PM »
Charles: Here is Humes in 1992 in the JAMA article:

"Once we saw the holes in the back of the President's suit jacket and shirt and the nicks on his shirt collar and the knot of his necktie, the path of the second bullet was confirmed. That bullet was traveling very fast and it had to go somewhere. I believe in the single-bullet theory that it struck Governor Connally immediately after exiting the President's throat."

So it's true he initially disbelieved the idea, or thought it unlikely; he later came to support it.

That JAMA article is here: https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md22.pdf


Thanks Steve, yes Arlen Specter’s book spells out the limited information that Humes had at the time of his testimony. That explains why he testified as he did. It is good to know that he later supported the SBT after learning more facts.


Edit: I think that one of the insurmountable reasons that no one will ever disprove the SBT is what Humes said:

“That bullet was traveling very fast and it had to go somewhere.”

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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2024, 12:52:24 PM »
Mr. SPECTER – Doctor Humes, I show you a bullet which we have marked as Commission Exhibit No. 399,
and may I say now that, subject to later proof, this is the missile which has been taken from the stretcher which
the evidence now indicates was the stretcher occupied by Governor Connally. I move for its admission into evidence at this time.

...that later proof was never shown.
https://jfk.boards.net/post/3956/thread

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Mr. SPECTER. And could that missile have made the wound on Governor Connally's right wrist?

Commander HUMES. I think that that is most unlikely ...The reason I believe it most unlikely that this missile could have inflicted either of these wounds is that
this missile is basically intact; its jacket appears to me to be intact, and I do not understand how it could possibly have left fragments in either of these locations.
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Re: Dr. Cyril Wecht has died
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2024, 01:42:30 PM »
   


 Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated.
 Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade,

  Cyril Wecht was very dishonest when using stand-ins to simulate JFK and JBC seatd in the limousine.   He also knew about the "Lapel Flip" as far back as 1975, and never said a word about it!

"Note, if you will, how far to JFK's left John Connally is seated."

the photos you posted have dark shadow in the area of connallys right arm / elbow and the area of the right side of the limo . in addition the photos were taken high above and at an angle . this creates an illusion of a larger gap . the gap was 2.5 inches .




 

"Note too, how JFK was seated completely up against the inside side of the limousine, so that he could rest his right arm comfortably while riding in the motorcade"



we only have the photos and film that we have , so we cant do anything about that . but we can try and show the best photos .