JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth

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Online Michael T. Griffith

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It is strange how the Covid Mantra of, "Follow The Science", does Not apply to the Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding that the SBT, "IS IMPOSSIBLE".

Especially given the fact that the Knott Lab analysis is the most thorough and sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done. No previous analysis even comes close to matching the depth and sophistication of the Knott Lab analysis.

You can bet that if the Knott Lab analysis had concluded the SBT was possible, WC apologists would endlessly note that it is the most sophisticated, thorough SBT trajectory study ever done.

Another large nail in the SBT's coffin is the fact that JFK plainly, obviously begins to react to a hit at least 17 frames before Z224, and that when Jackie reemerges into view in Z224 she has clearly already noticed JFK's reaction. The HSCA photographic experts determined that JFK was hit at right around Z190, 34 frames before the current SBT says Connally was hit.

The Z190 hit is all the more devastating to the SBT when we consider JFK's dramatic Z226-232 reaction when he is visibly jolted forward and his hands and elbows are flung upward. Obviously, the bullet that jolted him forward was not the same bullet that hit him at Z190. 

These things are obvious to anyone who is not bound by the SBT.

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 And then there is Gov Connally Not reacting to the same bullet. The SBT should have been exposed as "IMPOSSIBLE" long ago, but even today we had an eggplant paraded around as POTUS. The News Media continues being nothing more than a propaganda arm. 

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The SBT should have been exposed as "IMPOSSIBLE" long ago

Michael posted the video. Is there another? You two cannot see what is depicted in the cartoon? Maybe you just do not want to see it for what it is, and see just how stupid this really is?

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Especially given the fact that the Knott Lab analysis is the most thorough and sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done. No previous analysis even comes close to matching the depth and sophistication of the Knott Lab analysis.

How have you determined that the Knott Lab analysis is the most thorough and sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done? Have you read their study in its entirety? If so, where can it be read?

Knott did what they were paid to do. That is, come up with a result that would rule out the SBT. Their study was paid for by longtime conspiracy theorist John Orr. Their finding is contradicted by the film analysis done by the ITEK Corp in the 1970s.

The ITEK film analysis placed Connally's face 6.4" +/- 2.2" inboard of Kennedy. They had the original Zapruder film at their disposal, as well as a first generation copy. They also had high quality copies of the Betzner and Willis photos. Among their team were those with experience in photographic science, special photographic processing, photo interpretation, image analysis, coherent optical image processing, photogrammetry, and digital image processing.

Knott does not state how far inboard that they determined that Connally was. Nor are they specific on what materials they used for their study. They only say that he was not 6" to 10" inboard and that they used 25 historic photographs and 7 frames of the Zapruder film. What copy of the film they used is not revealed by them. Nor are we told what the historic photographs are. It seems that they have not made their full study available. All we have is worthless claims that lack any real support.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60448#relPageId=47

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 You guys want Connally positioned 6"-10" inboard? The Jump Seats will NOT move 6"-10" inboard. There's a Hump running down the center of the JFK Limo preventing the moving of those Jump Seats to the (L) - (R). Just look at the Love Field footage of their boarding the JFK Limo. The film shot from the Drivers Side of the Limo shows how tightly those jump seats fit (L) - (R). They had to carefully close the passenger door from the outside in order to avoid banging Gov Connally's leg. Connally could maybe LEAN that far over to his (L), but what would prompt him to suddenly do this "Gumby" maneuver? The inboard argument went out the window with the improved definition of the footage shot at Love Field.     

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You guys want Connally positioned 6"-10" inboard? The Jump Seats will NOT move 6"-10" inboard. There's a Hump running down the center of the JFK Limo preventing the moving of those Jump Seats to the (L) - (R). Just look at the Love Field footage of their boarding the JFK Limo. The film shot from the Drivers Side of the Limo shows how tightly those jump seats fit (L) - (R). They had to carefully close the passenger door from the outside in order to avoid banging Gov Connally's leg. Connally could maybe LEAN that far over to his (L), but what would prompt him to suddenly do this "Gumby" maneuver? The inboard argument went out the window with the improved definition of the footage shot at Love Field.   

Connally's jumpseat was 6 inches from his door, as measured by Secret Service agent Thomas Kelley. When Connally turned to look over his right shoulder, he shifted his body inboard on the seat.
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Connally's jumpseat was 6 inches from his door, as measured by Secret Service agent Thomas Kelley. When Connally turned to look over his right shoulder, he shifted his body inboard on the seat.

      SA Kelley NEVER testified that he actually measured the distance from the edge of the jump seat to the edge of the Limo Door. And, the date Kelley gave for the SS Reconstruction he participated in, was actually the "2nd" SS Reconstruction and did NOT use the JFK Limo. Kelley was questioned by Specter who dreamed up the SBT. Specter knew exactly what he needed to make the SBT remotely plausible. Specter was getting his ducks inna row, Take 2. Also, it was very clever of Specter to NOT ask Kelley the distance from the (L) edge of Gov Connally's jump seat to the Hump running down the center of the JFK Limo.   

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This is abject nonsense. Did you even bother to read the OP? JFK starts raising his right arm long before Connally does. JFK's waving motion freezes by no later than Z200 as he starts to bring both hands inward and upward toward his throat. He's in the process of doing this when he disappears from view in Z207. This is long before Connally starts to raise his arm, and this is even longer before Connally's right shoulder is slammed downward in Z238.

I notice you said nothing about JFK's dramatic Z226-232 reaction, the main subject of the OP.

I also notice you said nothing about the fact that the HSCA PEP determined that JFK was hit at or before Z190.

I also notice you said nothing about Jackie's pre-Z207 reaction and her Z222-223 reaction, which undeniably prove that she realized something was wrong with JFK before Z207. Poof, on that basis alone your absurd Z224 SBT collapses.

Did you miss the news that the HSCA FPP determined that the back wound was below the throat wound, that the bullet struck the back at an upward angle, and that the tunneling inside the wound indicated that the bullet traveled upward after it entered the back? The HSCA FPP noted that "the wound beneath the skin appears to be tunneled from below upward" (7 HSCA 87). HSCA FPP Figure 12 shows the back wound slightly below the throat wound (7 HSCA 100). The upward-trajectory finding confirmed the 1975 finding of Dr. Werner Spitz of the Rockefeller Commission’s medical panel:

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There is no doubt that the bullet which struck the President’s back penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction, as is evident from the width of the abrasion at the lower half of the bullet wound of entrance. The term "sharply upward direction" is used because it is evident from this injury that the missile traveled upwards within the body. (Report of Werner Spitz, 4/24/75, p. 1, Rockefeller Commission papers, see https://websites.umich.edu/~ahaq/correspondence.pdf)
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A "nearly perfect" SBT demonstration, huh?! I guess you didn't notice that Specter has the rod at a level on the back that is far below the stand-in's collar and far below the WC's location for the back wound? The WC's Rydberg drawing has the wound on the neck and above the throat wound (CE 385). I guess you also didn't notice that Specter has the bullet exiting at the bottom of the stand-in's tie knot?

I find your appeal to Specter's demonstration in CE 903 curious, because I've had many WC apologists tell me that his demonstration was wrong because he put the back wound too low. You guys need to get your story straight.

I take it you are unaware of the recent 3D laser analysis of the SBT done by the forensic engineering firm Knott Laboratory, the first analysis of its kind ever done of the SBT? Knott Lab's 3D analysis proves that the SBT is impossible. Here's an article about Knott Lab's historic analysis:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Here's a 24-minute podcast interview with Knott Lab CEO and Principal Engineer Stanley Stoll in which he explains the Knott 3D laser analysis and shows clips based on the digital reconstruction from the 3D laser data:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glUgE9RCwnw

FYI, the Knott Lab engineers placed the JFK and JBC figures after creating a digital twin of Dealey Plaza and then using AI-assisted photogrammetric analysis of the Zapruder film, photos of the limo, and various other photos to place the figures in the limousine. They made the digital twin of the plaza by doing an exhaustive laser survey of the plaza, collecting millions of data points to enable a digital 3D recreation of the plaza that was an exact duplicate of the plaza in every aspect. After making the digital twin, they used photogrammetric analysis to place the Kennedy and Connally figures in the limousine (as well as to place the limousine in the correct position on Elm Street).

Dear Mike,

Going from memory here, but didn't Knott Lab do its "analysis" based on images from a video game?

-- Tom

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