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JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on May 30, 2025, 11:44:22 PM ---Connally added that he had "no doubt" he was not hit before Z229. But WC apologists lamely argue that Connally was "mistaken." I mean, he was the guy who actually experienced the wounding.
It is much easier for you, even necessary to believe all the people around JBC were wrong. Nelly, Jackie, SA Kellerman, DPD Hargis, DPD Chaney, SA Hill, all the two shot witnesses, all the witnesses stating they heard two shots then the car accelerated followed by a shot, all the witnesses that the second two shots were so close together they sounded like one shot, on and on and on, all are stating JBC was wounded by the first shot. Maybe it is time to come to grips with it. The only one who was stating he was not hit by the first shot was JBC himself, instead stating he never heard the shot that struck him.
The Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis confirms what WC critics have been pointing out for years.
So wrong, Knotts Lab managed to prove SBT was the only answer.
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Nessan,
1) Connally eventually admitted that he and JFK may have been hit by the same bullet.
2) Knott Labs "analysis" was based on graphics from a video game.
3) D'oh
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on May 30, 2025, 05:02:22 PM ---Yeah, it is interesting that WC apologists dismiss the fact that Gov. Connally himself, the guy who actually experienced the shot, insisted he was certain he was not hit before Z229 and that he chose Z234 as the moment of impact. He said this after carefully studying frames 224 through 238 under high magnification. Z234 makes perfect sense, because his right shoulder is pushed dramatically downward and he gets an obvious pained look on his face starting in Z238, just 0.25 seconds/250 milliseconds later, which is the standard human reaction time. Connally added that he had "no doubt" he was not hit before Z229. But WC apologists lamely argue that Connally was "mistaken." I mean, he was the guy who actually experienced the wounding.
WC apologists must also dismiss the clear evidence that Kennedy was hit long before Z224. The most fiercely debated finding of the HSCA PEP was the finding that JFK was hit at or just before Z190, because everyone knew that Oswald's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the intervening the oak tree at that point, but the evidence is so strong that the substantial majority supported the finding. One item of evidence that convinced most of the PEP members on this point is that there is a strong blur episode from Z189-197.
The Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis confirms what WC critics have been pointing out for years.
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MG: Yeah, it is interesting that WC apologists dismiss the fact that Gov. Connally himself, the guy who actually experienced the shot, insisted he was certain he was not hit before Z229 and that he chose Z234 as the moment of impact.
It's not a good idea to assume that anyone's memories are split-second accurate. Especially after the memorable experience in question is immediately followed by thoracotomy-grade anesthesia. If you think his recollection is sharp enough to pinpoint a specific frame, there's the bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale, cheap....
MG: The most fiercely debated finding of the HSCA PEP was the finding that JFK was hit at or just before Z190, because everyone knew that Oswald's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the intervening the oak tree at that point, but the evidence is so strong that the substantial majority supported the finding. One item of evidence that convinced most of the PEP members on this point is that there is a strong blur episode from Z189-197.
As far as I've ever been able to determine, no one has ever studied how to determine exactly when someone has been shot simply by observing their physical reactions. The PEP was little more than guessing here, and their conclusions accordingly carry no weight.
The Knott Labs SBT trajectory analysis confirms what WC critics have been pointing out for years.
The Knott Lab effort was a second-rate amateurish hogwash. If you watch their promo video you'll find that they have the shot coming from the wrong side of the SN window, and have the bullet impacting JFK at his centerline. The bigger problem is the lack of rigor. A proper trajectory study would acknowledge the uncertainties in the location of the wounds, the differences between the exact size and shape of the models to the real life bodies, any deflection of the bullet after impact, etc. This would result in a series of trajectory cones, not a straight line. Of the various attempts to create a trajectory analysis for the shooting, the best is still the Failure Analysis one from the early 90's. I wouldn't give you $0.02 for the Knott Labs version.
Royell Storing:
Never fails that LN'ers are forced to disregard eyewitness testimony. They always claim it is "unreliable". This is why they have No Idea who testified as to what. Not being familiar with eyewitness testimony is the Biggest Blackest Hole in those that support the LN stuff. Personally, I think they are scared of what they will find in the eyewitness testimony. Testimony like DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis saying he ran up to that "little wall", "brick wall", and there is absolutely NO Image Evidence to support this. Or SA Lem Johns claiming he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and was running down Elm St toward the JFK Limo when the Kill Shot was fired. SA Johns claimed he was left standing in Elm St. Yet, there is absolutely No Image Evidence to support any this. None! This is why the LN Believers know very little about JFK Assassination eyewitness testimony. It proves the JFK Assassination fantasy they continue clinging to is Wrong!
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on May 31, 2025, 02:33:21 AM ---Never fails that LN'ers are forced to disregard eyewitness testimony. They always claim it is "unreliable". This is why they have No Idea who testified as to what. Not being familiar with eyewitness testimony is the Biggest Blackest Hole in those that support the LN stuff. Personally, I think they are scared of what they will find in the eyewitness testimony. Testimony like DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis saying he ran up to that "little wall", "brick wall", and there is absolutely NO Image Evidence to support this. Or SA Lem Johns claiming he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car and was running down Elm St toward the JFK Limo when the Kill Shot was fired. SA Johns claimed he was left standing in Elm St. Yet, there is absolutely No Image Evidence to support any this. None! This is why the LN Believers know very little about JFK Assassination eyewitness testimony. It proves the JFK Assassination fantasy they continue clinging to is Wrong!
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Storing,
Do you disagree with any of the eyewitnesses?
If so, do you think they made honest mistakes, or do you think they were "Deep State" agents?
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on May 30, 2025, 11:48:37 PM ---Nessan,
1) Connally eventually admitted that he and JFK may have been hit by the same bullet.
2) Knott Labs "analysis" was based on graphics from a video game.
3) D'oh
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1) Connally eventually admitted that he and JFK may have been hit by the same bullet.
May have?
2) Knott Labs "analysis" was based on graphics from a video game.
And?
3) D'oh
?Meaning?
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