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JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
Andrew Mason:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on August 18, 2025, 10:34:19 PM ---FWIW, John Orr has the first shot exiting JFK's throat and denting the windshield trim, with CE 399 (second shot) hitting only Connally and ending up in his thigh but not causing his wrist injuries. His has JBC's wrist injuries being caused by the lead core of from the fatal head shot (third shot) fired by a pro sniper, with Oswald firing a fourth shot that missed. CE 399 would seem more plausible if it weren't responsible for JBC's wrist injuries. On it goes, I guess.
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John Orr did a very good thing in hiring Knott Labs to re-create Dealey Plaza digitally along with the car and occupants.
Based on what John has written, though, he has been persuaded that there were four shots. I disagree with that although I have to admit that I have not read his book "Analysis of Gunshots in Dealey Plaza". I do agree, though, that CE399 causing the wrist wound and this:
is not very persuasive.
--- Quote ---On the timing of the shots, the assumption always seems to be that the "bang-bang" description of the second and third shots means they were right on top of each other. I wonder if what's actually being described is not that they really were so close but that the first shot was definitely earlier, which seems to accord with what you're suggesting. So not 1 .... 2 .. 3 but more like 1 ........ 2 .....3.
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If one follows George Hickey's evidence about what he saw on the second shot, one can pinpoint the time of the second shot at z271-272. A shot at z271 is 2.3 seconds before the third shot at z313, so enough time for both to have been fired by Oswald.
This is consistent with Oswald trying to get the second and third shots off as quickly as possible without having to re-aim because the car was getting away. The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree. This was just after JFK passed the lamp post before the Thornton sign. The second shot occurred as JFK was moving slightly left to right, almost directly away from Oswald. It just missed JFK on the right side and struck JBC in the right armpit and wrist. The third shot fired on the exact same trajectory as the second without having to re-aim, 2.3 seconds later struck him in the head as his head moved to the right. Believe it or not, there is actually uncontradicted evidence that this is what occurred.
Michael T. Griffith:
I note that no WC believer is addressing the subject of the thread: JFK's dramatic Z226-232 reaction, the second-most dramatic and visible reaction in the Zapruder film, second only to the head explosion and rearward-leftward head snap starting in Z313.
The bullet that jolted JFK forward and flung his forearms and hands upward in Z226-232 was obviously a different bullet than the one that caused his Z200-225 reaction and that caused Jackie's Z202-225 reaction.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 12, 2025, 06:30:04 PM ---I note that no WC believer is addressing the subject of the thread: JFK's dramatic Z226-232 reaction, the second-most dramatic and visible reaction in the Zapruder film, second only to the head explosion and rearward-leftward head snap starting in Z313.
The bullet that jolted JFK forward and flung his forearms and hands upward in Z226-232 was obviously a different bullet than the one that caused his Z200-225 reaction and that caused Jackie's Z202-225 reaction.
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LOL!
Good one, Comrade Griffith!
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Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Andrew Mason on August 18, 2025, 11:39:40 PM ---John Orr did a very good thing in hiring Knott Labs to re-create Dealey Plaza digitally along with the car and occupants.
Based on what John has written, though, he has been persuaded that there were four shots. I disagree with that although I have to admit that I have not read his book "Analysis of Gunshots in Dealey Plaza". I do agree, though, that CE399 causing the wrist wound and this:
is not very persuasive. If one follows George Hickey's evidence about what he saw on the second shot, one can pinpoint the time of the second shot at z271-272. A shot at z271 is 2.3 seconds before the third shot at z313, so enough time for both to have been fired by Oswald.
This is consistent with Oswald trying to get the second and third shots off as quickly as possible without having to re-aim because the car was getting away. The first shot occurred as soon as JFK emerged from under the oak tree. This was just after JFK passed the lamp post before the Thornton sign. The second shot occurred as JFK was moving slightly left to right, almost directly away from Oswald. It just missed JFK on the right side and struck JBC in the right armpit and wrist. The third shot fired on the exact same trajectory as the second without having to re-aim, 2.3 seconds later struck him in the head as his head moved to the right. Believe it or not, there is actually uncontradicted evidence that this is what occurred.
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Really? So NOW we will rely on the Eyewitness account of SA Hickey? And who really knows what damage may have been done to the interior of the JFK Limo? They went through that thing with a scrub bucket at Parkland Hospital and then SS Agents were combing through it in the air aboard that transport plane. The JFK Limo has ZERO evidentiary value. It was comprimised and this includes the bullet fragments allegedly retrieved within. The SS Failed to protect the POTUS, The SS stole the body of JFK, the SS then sanitized the JFK Limo. Do you see a common theme here?
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