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JFK's Dramatic Z226-232 Reaction: More Proof that the SBT Is a Silly Myth
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on June 09, 2025, 05:57:47 PM ---I find it impossible to take you seriously. I don't where or how you formed some of these assumptions about my views. I also can't believe that anyone in 2025 is claiming there were only two shots, given everything we now know about missed shots and extra bullets in Dealey Plaza and in the limo.
As for your erroneous description of the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis, this makes it especially hard for me to feel inclined to waste time responding to you. The Knott Lab analysis is the most thorough, data-based, and comprehensive SBT analysis ever done. It dwarfs all previous analyses. If the Knott Lab analysis had confirmed the SBT, you guys would be joyfully embracing it and noting that Knott Lab has vast experience and credentials in digital forensic reconstruction, that the analysis was based on millions of data points to form a digital duplicate of Dealey Plaza, and that it used a wide variety of photographic evidence in conjunction with the laser scan of Dealey Plaza. But, since the Knott Lab analysis destroys the SBT, you guys lamely seek to dismiss it, even while you accept the pathetic and contradictory trajectory analyses done by the WC, Thomas Canning, Todd Vaughan, and Dale Myers.
Finally, I'll just note that you're not even trying to address the dramatic jolting forward of JFK in Z226-232, the second most dramatic reaction in the entire Zapruder film, because it destroys the lapel-flip SBT.
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He just may be a disinformation agent.
What type of reasonably intelligent adult American believes that the assassination involved "just 20 to 30 people" but that it's all been covered up for decades, the news media has been controlled to suppress what happened, and that disinformation agents are right now actively sowing confusion? Just 20 to 30 people have done all of this?
But you take Doug Horne seriously? JFK's wound were altered pre-autopsy? Really? At some point you need to have someone tell you to touch grass. Because you are flat out confused as to what you believe.
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on June 09, 2025, 05:57:47 PM ---I find it impossible to take you seriously. I don't where or how you formed some of these assumptions about my views. I also can't believe that anyone in 2025 is claiming there were only two shots, given everything we now know about missed shots and extra bullets in Dealey Plaza and in the limo.
As for your erroneous description of the Knott Laboratory SBT trajectory analysis, this makes it especially hard for me to feel inclined to waste time responding to you. The Knott Lab analysis is the most thorough, data-based, and comprehensive SBT analysis ever done. It dwarfs all previous analyses. If the Knott Lab analysis had confirmed the SBT, you guys would be joyfully embracing it and noting that Knott Lab has vast experience and credentials in digital forensic reconstruction, that the analysis was based on millions of data points to form a digital duplicate of Dealey Plaza, and that it used a wide variety of photographic evidence in conjunction with the laser scan of Dealey Plaza. But, since the Knott Lab analysis destroys the SBT, you guys lamely seek to dismiss it, even while you accept the pathetic and contradictory trajectory analyses done by the WC, Thomas Canning, Todd Vaughan, and Dale Myers.
Finally, I'll just note that you're not even trying to address the dramatic jolting forward of JFK in Z226-232, the second most dramatic reaction in the entire Zapruder film, because it destroys the lapel-flip SBT.
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Ok, sounds like a cry for help. All you have to do is keep your opinion to yourself and explain the issues with the cartoon. Where is the bullet and where was the other shooter? Anything other than an explanation is just your opinion in whatever time period you choose to live.
the dramatic jolting forward of JFK in Z226-232,
Maybe JBC instead? The eyewitnesses gave a better and more accurate account. Jackie and Nellie disagree with you. They referenced JBC crying out Oh No No No after the first shot. Bill Newman's interview with Jay Watson, states "he could not tell which man was hit first" after the first shot. Maybe if they would have just known how knowledgeable you were after watching the Zapruder film, they would have changed their statements. The again probably not.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on June 09, 2025, 03:39:05 PM ---Not even going to try and prove there was a third shot? Pretending to be a squid and trying to ink the water to get away? Three shells do not mean anything at all.
How about explain the rationale to your sudden change of conspiracies. You are a huge proponent of the Knotts Lab fiasco because it suggests two shooters with one trajectory from outer space and a bullet that goes through JFK and then disappears. Now you are a proponent of all three shots having been taken from the SN and forget the Knotts Lab debacle, because there were three shell casings found there? Seriously, can you track a thought from one sentence to the next?
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You have the Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding WRONG. Your, "suggests 2 shooters", stuff is just that. Stuff. And your, "Three shells do not mean anything at all" is comical. A huge part of the WC Case is based on those 3 Hulls found inside the sniper's nest.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 10, 2025, 02:50:40 AM ---You have the Knott Lab Forensic SCIENCE finding WRONG.
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Storing,
"Knott Lab Forensic Science" is an oxymoron.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on June 10, 2025, 03:41:18 AM ---Storing,
"Knott Lab Forensic Science" is an oxymoron.
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Wrong. Knott Laboratory specializes in forensic reconstruction and engineering and is recognized as a leader in the field. Knott has worked on several high-profile cases, including the Firestone tire failures, the KC power plant explosion, the Miller Park crane collapse, and the Air France Flight 447 crash.
Do you just not understand the sophistication of the Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis? Do you understand that it dwarfs all previous analyses (WC, HSCA, Myers, Vaughan) because of the unprecedented amount of data and a laser-based digital replica of Dealey Plaza? Knott Laboratory conducted a high-definition laser scan of Dealey Plaza to generate a point cloud of nearly 2 million points per second to accurately measure point-to-point anywhere in the scene. Nothing like that had ever been done before.
From this point cloud, Knott's forensic engineers were able to match images from the scene and the Zapruder film using photogrammetry. They modeled the presidential limousine using multiple photographs and established the correct dimensions of the vehicle. Through a process called match moving, they synced frames from the Zapruder film into the digital recreation of the scene. The match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle to establish their positions frame by frame throughout the incident. That's why the Knott Lab analysis puts JFK and Connally in the correct horizontal positions in relation to each other and to the right side of the car's interior, whereas shoddy pro-SBT analyses have had to shift JFK and/or Connally markedly out of position.
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