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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2024, 07:14:50 AM »
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Sorry Martin, instead of speculation, I'll use the evidence.

1)Brennan testified that the assassin disappeared within a few seconds.

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.

2) The fourth floor had TWO elevators and Garner had no idea of where Adams and Styles went, they even could have gone and hid and Garner would never know, but you like to assume that Garner could read minds? Or more likely the girls discussed this event at a later stage.

3) But if indeed Garner went to the stairs immediately after she noticed Adam's and Styles disappearance, a precise timeframe we will never know (for what reason she decided to immediately move at that exact point in time we also will never know) she could have easily heard Oswald. Also Adams said she was three windows across and we know where Oswald's window was, therefore the distance to the stairs from their relative positions only had a difference of about ten yards and you seem to know the inner layout of furniture and the warehouse and storage area of the 4th floor, please give a more thorough description?



4) Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.


5) Adam's says she left up to 30 seconds later whereas the obviously not clued in Garner says only moments. Clearly consistency isn't the girls forte.

So in conclusion, the times are all over the place and why Garner would immediately go to the rear stairwell and just stand around is highly unlikely. Therefore Oswald could have easily go down the stairs.

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Just as I thought. More BS from the king of the stuff...

Sorry Martin, instead of speculation, I'll use the evidence.

Don't make me laugh.

1)Brennan testified that the assassin disappeared within a few seconds.

Mr. BRENNAN. Well, as it appeared to me he was standing up and resting against the left window sill, with gun shouldered to his right shoulder, holding the gun with his left hand and taking positive aim and fired his last shot. As I calculate a couple of seconds. He drew the gun back from the window as though he was drawing it back to his side and maybe paused for another second as though to assure hisself that he hit his mark, and then he disappeared.

I paraphrased when I talked about Brennan. But this is what he said in his 11/22/63 affidavit;

I was looking at the man in this windows at the time of the last explosion. Then this man let the gun down to his side and stepped down out of sight. He did not seem to be in any hurry.

2) The fourth floor had TWO elevators and Garner had no idea of where Adams and Styles went, they even could have gone and hid and Garner would never know, but you like to assume that Garner could read minds? Or more likely the girls discussed this event at a later stage.

Didn't you just say you did not use speculation? What do you call this then?

3) But if indeed Garner went to the stairs immediately after she noticed Adam's and Styles disappearance, a precise timeframe we will never know (for what reason she decided to immediately move at that exact point in time we also will never know) she could have easily heard Oswald.

"she could have easily heard Oswald" = SPECULATION.... Besides, so far you haven't offered a shred of evidence that Oswald was even on the stairs!

Also Adams said she was three windows across and we know where Oswald's window was, therefore the distance to the stairs from their relative positions only had a difference of about ten yards and you seem to know the inner layout of furniture and the warehouse and storage area of the 4th floor, please give a more thorough description?

Once again you are talking BS and are misrepresenting the evidence. The door at the back of the 4th floor office was directly opposite the elevators in the back. The sniper's nest was at the corner of the building and the entire 6th floor was full of books. Even the FBI time trail was conducted with their man walking the entire east side of the building and then cutting across to the west side where the stairs were. You must be really desperate by now if you are trying to suggest that the killer did not have a longer way to go than Adams and Styles to get to the stairs.

4) Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.


Why did you decide to go with "up to 30 seconds"? Adams gave an estimation which could easily have been 15 seconds as well, but you've left that out. Why?

5) Adam's says she left up to 30 seconds later whereas the obviously not clued in Garner says only moments. Clearly consistency isn't the girls forte.

So in conclusion, the times are all over the place and why Garner would immediately go to the rear stairwell and just stand around is highly unlikely. Therefore Oswald could have easily go down the stairs.


So, now an estimate of 15 to 30 seconds, from a person who did not use a stopwatch at the time it happened, and a comment of "only moments" is a problem?

There is no problem at all, except the one you are desperately trying to create.

and why Garner would immediately go to the rear stairwell and just stand around is highly unlikely.

Your biased opinion isn't worth much. I'll go with what Garner actually said. You should try it. It's called following the evidence.

Therefore Oswald could have easily go down the stairs.

And the guy who claims to use the evidence still hasn't presented a shred of evidence that Oswald was even on the stairs and thus ends his post with nothing but utter speculation.

Next time try to do better, John.... This is too easy....


« Last Edit: January 04, 2024, 01:26:23 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2024, 07:14:50 AM »


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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2024, 07:50:17 AM »
Next time try to do better, John.... This is too easy....

When you confront the evidence then you may have an opinion but until then, all you have is times that don't add up, but thanks for your participation.

Adams repeatedly said she saw Lovelady on the 1st floor but unfortunately for Adams, Lovelady and Shelley couldn't possibly be there at the allotted time! And that is the where the Adams story sinks and even your weak attempts to throw her a lifeline have failed dismally! Therefore it can only follow that Garner's recollection of "within a matter of moments" is a provable lie. Case Closed! Hahahaha!

Btw, so now it becomes very clear why the WC ignored Adams and her request for a timed recreation because it would only further prove that Adams was a L-I-A-R and a waste of time!

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« Last Edit: January 04, 2024, 08:35:33 AM by John Mytton »

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2024, 08:10:44 AM »

4) Mr. BELIN - How long do you think it was between the time the shots were fired and the time you left the window to start toward the stairway?
Miss ADAMS - Between 15 and 30 seconds, estimated, approximately.


Why did you decide to go with "up to 30 seconds"? Adams gave an estimation which could easily have been 15 seconds as well, but you've left that out. Why?


You're not very good at this are you!

My statement of "up to 30 seconds" automatically encapsulates 15 seconds. Duh!

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« Last Edit: January 04, 2024, 08:13:22 AM by John Mytton »

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2024, 08:10:44 AM »


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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2024, 09:04:21 AM »
and why Garner would immediately go to the rear stairwell and just stand around is highly unlikely.

Your biased opinion isn't worth much. I'll go with what Garner actually said. You should try it. It's called following the evidence.

This get's curiouser and curiouser, here's an excerpt from Ernest's book of what Garner apparently actually said!

Mrs. Garner said she immediately went to this area, following
"shortly after…right behind" Miss Adams and Miss Styles.   She
couldn't remember exactly why she went out there, other than to say,
"probably to get something."


So Garner decides at the exact time that she realized that Adams and Styles were gone, to leave her prime spot and get this, she couldn't remember why she suddenly had to leave at that precise time, but she guesses she probably went to get "something" and thereafter didn't go back to the front windows but instead just stood alone at the back of the building??

And let's put this in perspective, she knew that some dramatic event perhaps involving the President just happened right before her very eyes, and instead of spending a little time trying to work out what happened, she leaves within moments for some reason and goes to get some unspecified "something"? Far out Brussel Spout, what a load of rubbish!

Btw, the above quote came from the next paragraph after your previous quote from Ernest's book so you must have known what Garner said about why she followed Adams and Styles, and I perfectly understand why you tried to keep her crazy excuse a complete secret. Oops!

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2024, 09:20:49 AM »
When you confront the evidence then you may have an opinion but until then, all you have is times that don't add up, but thanks for your participation.

Adams repeatedly said she saw Lovelady on the 1st floor but unfortunately for Adams, Lovelady and Shelley couldn't possibly be there at the allotted time! And that is the where the Adams story sinks and even your weak attempts to throw her a lifeline have failed dismally! Therefore it can only follow that Garner's recollection of "within a matter of moments" is a provable lie. Case Closed! Hahahaha!

Btw, so now it becomes very clear why the WC ignored Adams and her request for a timed recreation because it would only further prove that Adams was a L-I-A-R and a waste of time!

JohnM

When you confront the evidence then you may have an opinion but until then, all you have is times that don't add up, but thanks for your participation.

LOL. Thank you for demostrating once again that you are completely clueless about what evidence actually is.  Thumb1:

Adams repeatedly said she saw Lovelady on the 1st floor but unfortunately for Adams, Lovelady and Shelley couldn't possibly be there at the allotted time!

Which means that Adams was clearly mistaken about where she saw the two men. Let's not forget that the entire Lovelady/Shelley thing didn't come up until Jim Leavelle showed up at Adams' door in mid february 1964 with the pathetic and untrue claim that her previous statements somehow had been lost.

And that is the where the Adams story sinks and even your weak attempts to throw her a lifeline have failed dismally!

Bla bla bla... than explain for once in detail how the story sinks. Come on, then.... have at it!

Therefore it can only follow that Garner's recollection of "within a matter of moments" is a provable lie.

So, now Garner is a liar?

Is this really what your case has been reduced to? A vain attempt to muddy the water with some BS over 15 or 30 seconds and calling a supporting witness a liar? How typical LN.

Btw, so now it becomes very clear why the WC ignored Adams and her request for a timed recreation because it would only further prove that Adams was a L-I-A-R and a waste of time!

The women aren't liars, you are with your pathetic claim that Oswald was on the stairs at all when you can't produce a shred of evidence for it.

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2024, 09:25:17 AM »
When you confront the evidence then you may have an opinion but until then, all you have is times that don't add up, but thanks for your participation.

LOL. Thank you for demostrating once again that you are completely clueless about what evidence actually is.  Thumb1:

Adams repeatedly said she saw Lovelady on the 1st floor but unfortunately for Adams, Lovelady and Shelley couldn't possibly be there at the allotted time!

Which means that Adams was clearly mistaken about where she saw the two men. Let's not forget that the entire Lovelady/Shelley thing didn't come up until Jim Leavelle showed up at Adams' door in mid february 1964 with the pathetic and untrue claim that her previous statements somehow had been lost.

And that is the where the Adams story sinks and even your weak attempts to throw her a lifeline have failed dismally!

Bla bla bla... than explain for once in detail how the story sinks. Come on, then.... have at it!

Therefore it can only follow that Garner's recollection of "within a matter of moments" is a provable lie.

So, now Garner is a liar?

Is this really what your case has been reduced to? A vain attempt to muddy the water with some BS over 15 or 30 seconds and calling a supporting witness a liar? How typical LN.

Btw, so now it becomes very clear why the WC ignored Adams and her request for a timed recreation because it would only further prove that Adams was a L-I-A-R and a waste of time!

The women aren't liars, you are with your pathetic claim that Oswald was on the stairs at all when you can't produce a shred of evidence for it.

It's too late Martin, Adams story as in the WC and confirmed in the OP video, is provably wrong!
You lose!

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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2024, 09:27:53 AM »
This get's curiouser and curiouser, here's an excerpt from Ernest's book of what Garner apparently actually said!

Mrs. Garner said she immediately went to this area, following
"shortly after…right behind" Miss Adams and Miss Styles.   She
couldn't remember exactly why she went out there, other than to say,
"probably to get something."


So Garner decides at the exact time that she realized that Adams and Styles were gone, to leave her prime spot and get this, she couldn't remember why she suddenly had to leave at that precise time, but she guesses she probably went to get "something" and thereafter didn't go back to the front windows but instead just stood alone at the back of the building??

And let's put this in perspective, she knew that some dramatic event perhaps involving the President just happened right before her very eyes, and instead of spending a little time trying to work out what happened, she leaves within moments for some reason and goes to get some unspecified "something"? Far out Brussel Spout, what a load of rubbish!

Btw, the above quote came from the next paragraph after your previous quote from Ernest's book so you must have known what Garner said about why she followed Adams and Styles, and I perfectly understand why you tried to keep her crazy excuse a complete secret. Oops!

JohnM

Oh how low this LN is willing to sink. Garner was interviewed by Ernest in 2011, a year before her death, and you expect that old lady to remember everything to the smallest detail?
When asked she said she didn't remember. Only a creep like you would call something like that suspicious.

Garner did really get under your skin, didn't she! Great stuff...



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Re: Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview
« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2024, 09:35:33 AM »
Oh how low this LN is willing to sink. Garner was interviewed by Ernest in 2011, a year before her death, and you expect that old lady to remember everything to the smallest detail?
When asked she said she didn't remember. Only a creep like you would call something like that suspicious.

Garner did really get under your skin, didn't she! Great stuff...

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When asked she said she didn't remember.

Interesting, then how can we trust any of her memories? LOL!

JohnM